The Worst Losers in Chess History

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lol I reserected this awsome thread =)

batgirl
manfredmann wrote:
batgirl wrote:

 

What are those other notorious incidences?

That seems to be a personal feud between two individuals, not a notariety for getting into fights.

TheGreatOogieBoogie
manfredmann wrote:
batgirl wrote:
manfredmann wrote:
batgirl wrote:

 

What are those other notorious incidences?

That seems to be a personal feud between two individuals, not a notariety for getting into fights.

So, you're basically saying that you think it's a wive's tale because it seems to you to be a feud between two individuals? A feud would imply some kind of action, counter-action, claim, counter-claim, etc. Steinitz published his side of it. Are you aware of any recriminations, denials, any kind of response from Blackburne?

Anyway, here is some more from Winter:

Our Chess with Violence article quotes Steinitz (addressing Hoffer) from pages 332-333 of the November 1889 International Chess Magazine:

 

‘... this brave Blackburne, whose blackguardly fisticuff performances you want to glorify at my expense, has never to my knowledge struck a man of his own size, unless it were in the case of an assault on board ship, during his journey to Australia, for which he was fined £10 at the police court, on his landing in Melbourne.’

 

Jerry Spinrad (Nashville, TN, USA) now supplies a report on Blackburne’s action, from page 2 of the Timaru Herald of 30 January 1885:

 

 

Lol given the context of the time it was probably over something relatively minor like needing communion or whatever.  "I say works and faith!" "Well I say faith alone!" (Proceeds to punch other guy). 

batgirl

"So, you're basically saying that you think it's a wive's tale because it seems to you to be a feud between two individuals?"

Please go back and read.  Someone, not you, claimed that Blackburne had thrown Steinitz out a window during a fight.  I called it a wives-tale, citing Steintitz' own account directly from the ICM in 1899.   You said Blackburne was notorious for getting into fights. I asked for some incidences of this. You quoted the same article, via Chess Note, in which Steinitz claims Blackburne hit him on two occasions, 11 years apart.   I still didn't see this as an example of notoriety, but as two people who didn't like each other (both of whom engaged in fighting).  The third incident, via Mr. Spinrad, is more compelling since it was published. I'm not sure this constitutes notoriety, but it gives credence to the statement.

TBentley
skakmadurinn wrote:

This game was played Between strong players:

 

1.d4-Nf6 2.Nd2-e5 3.dxe5-Ng4 4.h3-Ne3 and white resigned

Doubtful this actually happened (see http://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/records/records.htm and http://www.chessbase.com/Home/TabId/211/PostId/4010233/edward-winters-chess-explorations-99-210613.aspx)

batgirl

Steinitz has often been portrayed as a very disagreeable fellow.  Much of his writing is quite charming however.  Everybody tells a story in a way that they are the hero or victim; few present themselves as perpetrators or unreasonable cads.  So, any such self-portrayals has to be taken with reservation, whether it's Steinitz or Blackburne or their respective supporters.  I can't picture either man as particularly violent, but I suspect both could be arrogant and annoying at times.

gaereagdag
TBentley wrote:
skakmadurinn wrote:

This game was played Between strong players:

 

1.d4-Nf6 2.Nd2-e5 3.dxe5-Ng4 4.h3-Ne3 and white resigned

Doubtful this actually happened (see http://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/records/records.htm and http://www.chessbase.com/Home/TabId/211/PostId/4010233/edward-winters-chess-explorations-99-210613.aspx)

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It did. From memory the masters were gibaud and lazard.