There should be a symbol for "resigns"!

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Of course since mate has a symbol, nothing would need to follow 0-1.  It would be consistent to give stalemate a symbol too and then nothing would follow 1/2-1/2.

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ThrillerFan wrote:
FillsHerTease wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:

Say "0-1 {White Resigns} is redundant!

 

0-1 means White resigns

1-0 means Black resigns

 

We have a symbol for it already!

And the hits just keep on coming! You know ... it's very difficult to help people on this site...

:-P

I think you need to go back and read through the whole thread. If you only say 0-1 or 1-0 then how do you know if one side resigned, or if the game ended because time ran out?

You don't!

However even if my suggestion was redundant - which is isn't - then people still wanted to know, and I was simply responding to various suggestions and queries by pointing out that I wanted to know how to do it too - which is how I ended up here - and that in my quest I discovered that some PGN editors won't allow you to enter non PGN symbols or text.

As such I have explained, several times now, in quite a lot of detail, that the best way you can do it is with a comment, which you can do in PGN with either curly brackets or a semicolon. This is also good to know because you can enter comments anywhere in the game. An example being a game I was playing the other day with a friend of mine, who made a really, REALLY stupid move which gave me his Queen for free. He did it because he was very stoned, and since I don't get high myself, I let him take the move back, because I would rather play him in his best frame of mind - and lose - than win because he played a stupid move while he was wasted. You know? Especially when considering how difficult and close the game had been up until then. That being the case, my new found knowledge enabled me to write:

24. Ne6 Kf7 {Black initially played Nd4 but White allowed a take-back to keep the game interesting}

So ... knowing how to write comments is useful for showing that the game was Resigned, or Lost on Time, that one player was very wasted, or whatever it is you might want to say, such as:

{Move delayed whilst writing yet another comment in the thread concerning how to indicate Resignation in PGN)

;-D

Merry Christmas Everyone!

 

Actually, you do.  Typically, you see one of 3 things on scores sheets.  IF the last move before the 1-0 or 0-1 has a hash symbol, #, it was mate.  1-0 (Time) or 0-1 (Time) is a loss on time.  No # and no (Time), resignation is assumed.

Aha! I see the problem. We're not talking about Score Sheets, where talking about PGN; the format which computers use to output a game, and enable you to load a game for analysis etc. Of course you can write whatever you like on a Score Sheet, but you cannot write anything you like in PGN. The oringal comment concerned loading games in PGN format and I have been explaining what works and what doesn't. I won't repeat it all again, because it's still there for anyone who's intersted...

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FBloggs wrote:

My recommendations:  1-0 (R) for resigns, 0-1 (T) for time, 1-0 (F) for forfeiture, 1/2-1/2 (A) for agreement, 1/2-1/2 (R) for repetition, 1/2-1/2 (P) for perpetual, 1/2-1/2 (S) for stalemate, 1/2-1/2 (50) for 50-move rule and 1/2-1/2 (IM) for insufficient material.

Sorry, but there is a misunderstanding. This thread does not concern Score Sheets, it concerns PGN; which is the format which computers use to record a game, and which humans can use to record the moves in a fashion which enables them to load the game into a PGN editor; like the one they have here on Chess.com, which enables people to load a game and have the computer analyse it.

I won't repeat it all again because it is all explained in way too much detail in my previous posts...

:-P

...but your suggestions - 1-0 (R) for resigns, 0-1 (T) for time, 1-0 (F) for forfeiture, 1/2-1/2 (A) for agreement, 1/2-1/2 (R) for repetition, 1/2-1/2 (P) for perpetual, 1/2-1/2 (S) for stalemate, 1/2-1/2 (50) for 50-move rule and 1/2-1/2 (IM) for insufficient material - will not work. and are not suitable Please review my earlier Comments to understand why, and what you can do to avoid the various problems.

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Hi All,

Just to be clear, this Thread is about recording games in a fashion which enables them to be loaded into a computer; such as the analysis engine here on Chess.com, and not about how to record things on a Score Sheet. PGN - Portable Game Notation - is the most common method for doing this. Please see my previous posts for an explanation of what will work, what won't work, and what you should do if you want to record games in PGN for loading into a computer at a later stage.

Thanks and Regards,

Phil

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Phil_Surtees wrote:
FBloggs wrote:

My recommendations:  1-0 (R) for resigns, 0-1 (T) for time, 1-0 (F) for forfeiture, 1/2-1/2 (A) for agreement, 1/2-1/2 (R) for repetition, 1/2-1/2 (P) for perpetual, 1/2-1/2 (S) for stalemate, 1/2-1/2 (50) for 50-move rule and 1/2-1/2 (IM) for insufficient material.

Sorry, but there is a misunderstanding. This thread does not concern Score Sheets, it concerns PGN; which is the format which computers use to record a game, and which humans can use to record the moves in a fashion which enables them to load the game into a PGN editor; like the one they have here on Chess.com, which enables people to load a game and have the computer analyse it.

I won't repeat it all again because it is all explained in way too much detail in my previous posts...

:-P

...but your suggestions - 1-0 (R) for resigns, 0-1 (T) for time, 1-0 (F) for forfeiture, 1/2-1/2 (A) for agreement, 1/2-1/2 (R) for repetition, 1/2-1/2 (P) for perpetual, 1/2-1/2 (S) for stalemate, 1/2-1/2 (50) for 50-move rule and 1/2-1/2 (IM) for insufficient material - will not work. and are not suitable Please review my earlier Comments to understand why, and what you can do to avoid the various problems.

Never mind (spoken in my best Emily Litella voice).

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FBloggs wrote:

Never mind (spoken in my best Emily Litella voice).

I don't know who Emily Litella is, so I'm not sure whether you're stirring yourself or me!

:-P

They say that when you sit down to play poker, if you can't tell who the fish is, then the fish is you. I'm guessing that the same rule applies here and you're stirring me???

;-)

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Phil_Surtees wrote:
FBloggs wrote:

Never mind (spoken in my best Emily Litella voice).

I don't know who Emily Litella is, so I'm not sure whether you're stirring yourself or me!

:-P

They say that when you sit down to play poker, if you can't tell who the fish is, then the fish is you. I'm guessing that the same rule applies here and you're stirring me???

;-)

Google Emily Litella (or better You Tube it).

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FBloggs wrote:

Google Emily Litella (or better You Tube it).

I did, but I still couldn't tell who the fish is...

:-(

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Phil_Surtees wrote:
FBloggs wrote:

Google Emily Litella (or better You Tube it).

I did, but I still couldn't tell who the fish is...

:-(

Good grief, man!  Emily Litella says, "never mind" when informed that she misunderstood.  I misunderstood the point of the discussion.  Relax, you're not the fish.

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FBloggs wrote:
Phil_Surtees wrote:
FBloggs wrote:

Google Emily Litella (or better You Tube it).

I did, but I still couldn't tell who the fish is...

:-(

Good grief, man!  Emily Litella says, "never mind" when informed that she misunderstood.  I misunderstood the point of the discussion.  Relax, you're not the fish.

Sorry. I didn't mean to upset you...

:-(

Although I joined this site 4 years ago, I've only just started coming here regularly, and I'm used to YouTube, where there's a constant barrage of abuse, so I kind of assume the worst when someone refers to someone or something I don't about. 

Since you said "good grief man"; which was apt, because I'm as clueless as Charlie Brown, I'll be him and you can be Emily. Sound fair?

;-)

My apologies...

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Phil_Surtees wrote:

Sorry. I didn't mean to upset you...

:-(

Although I joined this site 4 years ago, I've only just started coming here regularly, and I'm used to YouTube, where there's a constant barrage of abuse, so I kind of assume the worst when someone refers to someone or something I don't about. 

Since you said "good grief man"; which was apt, because I'm as clueless as Charlie Brown, I'll be him and you can be Emily. Sound fair?

;-)

My apologies...

I'm not a bit upset.  I understand what you mean about assuming the worst online.  "Good grief, man!" was said with tongue-in-cheek irritation.  I relate more to Charlie Brown than Emily Litella.  She was one of the late great Gilda Radner's best characters.  Her premature death was a great loss to comedy.

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FBloggs wrote:
Phil_Surtees wrote:

Sorry. I didn't mean to upset you...

:-(

Although I joined this site 4 years ago, I've only just started coming here regularly, and I'm used to YouTube, where there's a constant barrage of abuse, so I kind of assume the worst when someone refers to someone or something I don't about. 

Since you said "good grief man"; which was apt, because I'm as clueless as Charlie Brown, I'll be him and you can be Emily. Sound fair?

;-)

My apologies...

I'm not a bit upset.  I understand what you mean about assuming the worst online.  "Good grief, man!" was said with tongue-in-cheek irritation.  I relate more to Charlie Brown than Emily Litella.  She was one of the late great Gilda Radner's best characters.  Her premature death was a great loss to comedy.

It took a few posts to realise you were actually a human being, and a nice one at that!

:-P

I'm a bit slow, but I like it here; talking with people who aren't trying to wage war. I admire your restraint in the situation of me being a thick-head and not getting what you were saying. By now I would have been flayed alive on YouTube! You've gone a long way towards restoring my faith in humanity...

;-)

Losing Gilda Radner was a terrible shame. I'll definitely take some time to watch a few Emily Litella skits now...

Thanks for being so nice and maintaining your cool...

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A courteous exchange on chess.com! What a pleasant surprise. It made my day.

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Personally, I'm stunned that such a thing exists.  grin.png

 

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All you clowns that say you can't tell based on 1-0 or 0-1, you can!

 

I've seen in older chess books "1-0 (Time)" or "0-1 (Time)" for cases where one side ran out of time!

In the case of checkmate, the final move will have the hash symbol (#, like 48.Qh8#)

You don't see forfeits published, but on the scoresheet, it typically reads "1-0 (Forfeit)

Now if you just see 1-0 or 0-1 with no hash tag for mate and no (Time) label for time and no Forfeit label or any of that, then clearly it's resignation!  Whether that resignation is voluntary or the result of being arrested during the round (2002 South Carolina tournament, round 2, happened to the guy sitting next to me, totally frivolous arrest) or dying of a heart attack during the round, you resigned!

 

Don't think you'll every see "1-0 (Heart Attack)" published anywhere!

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All you clowns that say you can't tell based on 1-0 or 0-1, you can!

 

I've seen in older chess books "1-0 (Time)" or "0-1 (Time)" for cases where one side ran out of time!

In the case of checkmate, the final move will have the hash symbol (#, like 48.Qh8#)

You don't see forfeits published, but on the scoresheet, it typically reads "1-0 (Forfeit)

Now if you just see 1-0 or 0-1 with no hash tag for mate and no (Time) label for time and no Forfeit label or any of that, then clearly it's resignation!  Whether that resignation is voluntary or the result of being arrested during the round (2002 South Carolina tournament, round 2, happened to the guy sitting next to me, totally frivolous arrest) or dying of a heart attack during the round, you resigned!

 

Don't think you'll every see "1-0 (Heart Attack)" published anywhere!

The problem is that we clowns have not been talking about Score-sheets, we've been talking about PGN - which is the file format that computers use - and how to indicate Resignation or loss on Time in that format. To cut a long story short, many PGN editors don't like 1-0 (Forfeit), or 1-0 (Resigns), or 1-0 (Time), or things like of that nature, and go nuts and won't let you step through the game if you have entered something they don't 'understand'. The solution to that is to use either a semicolon, or curly brackets, to insert a comment; which is handy for inserting comments throughout the game too. For example:

1-0 ; Time

1-0 {Resigns}

36. xd4 e5 {delay while explaining to yet another person on Chess.com that we are talking about PGN}

:-D

It's worth knowing because it enables you to enter games for analysis here on Chess.com or elsewhere...

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ThrillerFan wrote:

All you clowns that say you can't tell based on 1-0 or 0-1, you can!

 

I've seen in older chess books "1-0 (Time)" or "0-1 (Time)" for cases where one side ran out of time!

In the case of checkmate, the final move will have the hash symbol (#, like 48.Qh8#)

You don't see forfeits published, but on the scoresheet, it typically reads "1-0 (Forfeit)

Now if you just see 1-0 or 0-1 with no hash tag for mate and no (Time) label for time and no Forfeit label or any of that, then clearly it's resignation!  Whether that resignation is voluntary or the result of being arrested during the round (2002 South Carolina tournament, round 2, happened to the guy sitting next to me, totally frivolous arrest) or dying of a heart attack during the round, you resigned!

 

Don't think you'll every see "1-0 (Heart Attack)" published anywhere!

P.S. Your last comment reminds me of a funny story. I used to play competition squash, and when I was in B-Grade we had a really good team, with one of the guys - Olly - being both a player and our coach. The problem was that Olly could beat anyone on Saturday during training - he had a killer drop shot that I couldn't get to even when I knew it was coming - but he simply could not win in a competition game. Things were so bad that one night, after yet another loss, his opponent walked off the court and had a heart attack shortly thereafter...

Poor Olly couldn't even beat a man who was at Death's door!

Just to finish the story, we actually managed to win the comp that year, even though we carried Olly the whole way. Hey ... he was a really good Captain and Coach! The problem was that we had to go up to a higher grade the following season - because we'd won - and there was no way we were going to be able to carry a player in a higher grade, so we had to part ways with Olly; which promptly caused us to fall in a screaming heap because we lost our Coach, and our team disbanded after a terrible season. It just wasn't meant to be...

:-(

At any rate there was no way to enter Heart Attack on a Squash Score-sheet either. So there seems to be a common bigotry against people with hearts that are trying to kill them...

:-P

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One possibility is that you can use the PGN tag "Termination" in the header, in the form of...

[Termination "Black Resigns"] .  I also like the final result comment in curly brackets, as suggested previously, in the form of...

1-0 {Black Resigned} 

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R should be for resign(e.g 45. Qxe5   R), or => <= for Perpetual check, or A for agrement, or *** for abort and :50 for the 50 move rule.

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> But like WGM Pogonina said, the 1-0 or 0-1 could be due to several factors! Maybe time control, or cell phone going off, or lack of clothing...

I usually assume it's lack of clothing.