To be fair to me that was written as a joke! But humans are not animals!😝
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Well, maybe some of you guys are!😮
The Taxonomic chart is the biggest pile of horse manure anyway. It's based on Evilution, which is inspired by😈
Elubas wrote:
I guess it's not so applicable for this particular issue because of the consensus, but it does remind me of how people will always get overjoyed when they have an article that says they're right.
Like Fox News viewers? Or those that tune in or read something that simply reinforces their opinion? Only problem is, what do you do when someone else who also is into "science" writes an article says the opposite? If they are respected researchers, they may speak to each other about the subject, and share their findings. It's not uncommon. Just pick the one that feels nice? Science doesn't mean godlike people with no emotions doing everything perfectly -- they have biases too; they use some imagination when drawing their conclusions from ambiguous data. The difference is that these people tend to be more familiar with the subject matter and do experiments; while this helps, it doesn't necessarily guarantee anything depending on the complexity of the issue.
There are few guarantees in life. I'm willing to trust most that have spent years studying a subject, especially when their work has been peer-reviewed.
The only thing we don't know about climate change is the pace at which it will happen. Even if the scientists are wrong when they state that it's man-made, it's still getting warmer. Climates, they are a changing.
MrDamonSmith wrote:
Mars is also experiencing global warming at about the same rate as Earth. Odd coincidence?
Interesting. Citation?
pt22064 wrote:
In the US, knowledge about basic biology is woefully lacking. Not knowing what an animal is unfortunately is very common, as is confusion between viruses and bacteria. Many people don't know the difference between reptiles and amphibians (and apparently don't know the difference between amphibians and fish, as evidenced by Einstein99's comment).
I recall a story told by a friend of mine who grew up in India and went to graduate school in Texas. During his first week there, he went to a restaurant and asked the waiter if they had any non-meat dishes. The waiter responded that they had some good chicken dishes. My friend was shocked by the response and said, "Dude, I'm a vegetarian. I can't eat meat." The waiter then argued that chicken was "not meat." My friend then tried to explain that he couldn't eat anything that was once an animal. The waiter then suggested a fish dish! My friend gave up trying to explain and just ordered a salad.
Then, of course, there are those who insist that humans are not animals.
In all fairness, he WAS in Texas.
Elubas wrote:
"Sure it's 'just' a word, and it 'just' makes it easier to communicate, but these are big issues"
I don't know, you're putting "just" in quotation marks but I don't see how that turns it into a big issue. My previous argument still seems pretty good as is.
They're scare quotes.The important point was that inability to communicate IS a big issue. The insertion of "just" originally by you indicates that you did not believe it to be of significance.
You still havn't given any reason as to why your previous argument "seems pretty good as is". It appears to me as completely flawed. Mind explaining how someone can have adequete understanding of concepts without being able to explain them in the most basic of terms? Also, even if such a thing is possible, an education system which fails to teach people to communicate their ideas effectively has clearly failed.
winerkleiner wrote:
Then what are Bigfoots?
Isn't the plural Bigfeets?
"The insertion of "just" originally by you indicates that you did notbelieve it to be of significance."
That's right. I mean, obviously you need communication on some level -- but in this case one could simply give examples of amphibians rather than say the word -- seems like some really good ideas could still flow even if it took a little longer, again provided the person understood what he was talking about.
"Mind explaining how someone can have adequete understanding of concepts without being able to explain them in the most basic of terms?"
Well, I don't know, if someone doesn't know the term "zwischenzug" but knows what is described by it, it doesn't seem to make it any less profound, or take away the connections made in discovering it. And in fact, a person could just refer to it in their own way, call it an "in between move" or whatever. The idea could be perfectly comprehended even without this term -- we understand things through our acquaintance with reality -- I guess I have some fondness for such an acquaintance. Sure, we label these things with words, but yeah, I'll say it's many, many, many times smaller of an issue.
So I guess it depends on just how far you take "basic of terms."
"They're scare quotes."
I didn't know that. And look, I didn't have to know it to make my point :) But, good to know!
"It appears to me as completely flawed"
lol, tough crowd. Not even going to give me "has some good points, but doesn't quite work?" :)
kleelof wrote:
winerkleiner wrote:
Then what are Bigfoots?
Isn't the plural Bigfeets?
That is correct sir, very good!
I would have also accepted Italians!
"'Only problem is, what do you do when someone else who also is into "science" writes an article says the opposite? If they are respected researchers, they may speak to each other about the subject, and share their findings. It's not uncommon."
You're talking about the scientists. I meant, what should the lay person do.
MrDamonSmith wrote:
This planet has cooled & warmed long before humans arrived (the same scientist that mention global warming tell us so) just like our sun does. It will continue to go through warming & cooling stages long after we're gone. We have went through ice ages & came out of them. How do we come out of an ice age? Global warming. How do we enter an ice age? Global cooling. The other planets around us also go through global warming & global cooling just as the sun does.
Edit: This isn't to say that we shouldn't strive to take care of our world because we definately should. Our actions are important but we should look also at the broader picture & not go screaming "the sky is falling! The sky is falling!"
Most of us that believe the climate is changing due to humans do not have a "sky is falling" attitude. Rather, we simply want a change in how energy is harnessed and used.
Now, some have written how scientists have been wrong in the past. Well, what if the predictions fall short? What if glaciers melting happens more rapidly than predicted? Sure, the earth has been through it all...The difference is that it's only been about 120 years that humans have been (basically) destroying our own land.
And the population continues to grow.
"Like Fox News viewers? Or those that tune in or read something that simply reinforces their opinion"
I don't care whether a person watches Fox News or not. I do care about that second sentence, though :)
I don't have any particular fondness of Fox News, I just think it's funny how desperately people want to make everything political :)
"Also, even if such a thing is possible, an education system which fails to teach people to communicate their ideas effectively has clearly failed."
I don't know, their judgment would be pretty damn good if they at least knew the ideas. The average person often has neither the idea nor the term.
So I guess it's a matter of degree. You can't have zero terms or zero understanding. But I put stronger emphasis on the understanding.
"Now, some have written how scientists have been wrong in the past. Well, what if the predictions fall short? What if glaciers melting happens more rapidly than predicted?"
Interesting point; I like it. Things could be better than they seem; and by that same logic they could be worse than they seem!
Not sure I can say I have any real problems with global warming, manmade or otherwise.
It might be a good time for The Earth to 'adjust'. Meaning, get rid of what is making it sick; namely, humans.
Perhaps after we are gone, the next 'masters' will do better.
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Mars is also experiencing global warming at about the same rate as Earth. Odd coincidence?