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wanwanwan1

When I read about threefold repetition in chess - articles say that the position has to be repeated 3+ times and it is not required that the same position occurs three times during the consecutive moves.

My question is how near to each other the same positions must be by the rules? Are they in last 10 positions, last 20.. or in the whole exact game's history (from the beginning)?

Knightfox181
Anytime, i think.
Martin_Stahl

Yeah, it is anytime. But all possible conditions on each time have to be possible. So, if king-side castling was available in the first position but not in the second, then the first is not counted as a repetition. 

wanwanwan1

Thanks!

Adihere

 

MervynS

Just in case while you are playing, I don't think one can clam a 3-fold repetition in a bullet chess game on this site. Not sure about blitz

universityofpawns

you can claim a three fold rep in any game but it has to be done on the turn you see it....you can't wait a move in which the cycle is broken and then claim it later....I tried, that doesn't work.

MickinMD
wanwanwan1 wrote:

When I read about threefold repetition in chess - articles say that the position has to be repeated 3+ times and it is not required that the same position occurs three times during the consecutive moves.

My question is how near to each other the same positions must be by the rules? Are they in last 10 positions, last 20.. or in the whole exact game's history (from the beginning)?

Some points I've had to point out to OTB players as a USCF Tournament Director, some of which would be hard to duplicate in live, online chess:

1) the same player must be on the move in each of the three times the position occurred

2) the position does NOT have to be repeated on consecutive moves.

3) castling must not have occurred after one or two of the positions was reached.

4) the player claiming the repetition must see the repeated position in front of him NOW (with him on the move all 3 times) or he must show the move he is going to make will repeat the position (with his opponent on the move all 3 times).  Note the player must make the claim BEFORE completing his move and, according to USCF Rule 9A, the move is NOT completed until the player presses the clock.  I've had opponents complain that "He already made his move before he claimed 3x repetition," but that is officially legal as long as he didn't press the clock!

I had to rule in one OTB case where the opponent said the player making the claim had doctored his scorebook to make it look like the position repeated itself 2x.  When I asked to see the opponent's scorebook, it turned out he had stopped keeping score (allowed for BOTH players by USCF if less than 5 min. on clock and less than 30 sec. incremental for either player).  So I had no choice but to go by the only score kept for the game and award the draw.