Touch move rule should be abolished

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wu-tseng

I have lost so many games because of this rule. Also, people cheat to try and get around it and people don't even call it half the time. Whenever I call it on someone I feel like a douche and I feel terrible when I actually win the game. 

Ubik42

Agree...there should be takebacks for at least 5 seconds after you release the piece. Instead of "J'Adoube" you say "Oh wait...sorry i didn't see that"

Fear_ItseIf

cool story

Ubik42

thanks bro'

sapientdust

Nice idea. How will you deal with this rule change retroactively though?

Fear_ItseIf
Ubik42 wrote:

thanks bro'

wasnt aimed at you lol.

was aimed at OP who put forth no real argument for the abolition of the touch move rule..other than "people dont even call it half the time", "it encourages cheating" and "i feel bad for using it".Which are all stupid to say the least.

EricFleet

I think this actually has some merit. Try being the TD at a kids' tournament and dealing with 50 kids saying "he touched his piece", "nuh uh, he's lying" "No you're lying"....

Or dealing with Kasparov pulling it on a young Polgar. Classless.

Ubik42

Often in kids tournaments they relax the rule, you move is complete when you move the piece and then take your hand off it.

falcogrine
debakker12 wrote:

I have lost so many games because of this rule. Also, people cheat to try and get around it and people don't even call it half the time. Whenever I call it on someone I feel like a douche and I feel terrible when I actually win the game. 

My advice: think before you move. I personally have lost several games because of mouse slips, but what is the point of chess if you keep getting to take back all of your moves if they don't work out?

EricFleet
Ubik42 wrote:

Often in kids tournaments they relax the rule, you move is complete when you move the piece and then take your hand off it.

Not in a USCF rated tournament they won't. IN unrated, maybe, depends on TD.

Fear_ItseIf
EricFleet wrote:

I think this actually has some merit. Try being the TD at a kids' tournament and dealing with 50 kids saying "he touched his piece", "nuh uh, he's lying" "No you're lying"....

Or dealing with Kasparov pulling it on a young Polgar. Classless.

I arbitered at a pretty big tournament recently, and had very few arguments like this.

Ubik42
EricFleet wrote:
Ubik42 wrote:

Often in kids tournaments they relax the rule, you move is complete when you move the piece and then take your hand off it.

Not in a USCF rated tournament they won't. IN unrated, maybe, depends on TD.

I was observing one where they did (as a coach), it was a huge tournament with hundreds of players and an experienced TD.

SmyslovFan

Many years ago, Andy Soltis wrote that he first respected chess as a serious sport when he learned that there was such a thing as the touch-move rule.

Learn to think with your head, not your hands.

pt22064

In blitz, they usually use clock move rather than touch move. The problem with that is that some people cheat by faking a move (i.e. picking up a piece) to see what piece you reach for. They then put their piece back and make another move.

DrSpudnik

I know someone who nervously twirls his pieces when he's deep in thought. I've won a couple of games against him, because of this. Laughing

SmyslovFan
Ubik42 wrote:
EricFleet wrote:
Ubik42 wrote:

Often in kids tournaments they relax the rule, you move is complete when you move the piece and then take your hand off it.

Not in a USCF rated tournament they won't. IN unrated, maybe, depends on TD.

I was observing one where they did (as a coach), it was a huge tournament with hundreds of players and an experienced TD.

Regarding the application of the rule, it does depend on the TD to some extent. But the TD needs to be 100% certain of what happened before enforcing the rule. In very large tournaments, the TD will often simply warn the players involved if it's not clear what exactly happened.

Ubik42

Yeah tell me about it!

InfiniteFlash

I won a key game in high school where i was down a clean pawn in a rook endgame after i blundered badly. I called touch move, and he was forced to take another pawn, but i back ranked mated him. We won the team match, i feel no regrets winning because the team needed the win. The OP has issues if they have problems of winning unorthodoxly. winning on time, when down lots of material applies to this too.

landwehr

no...don't mend it if it ain't broken... is the rule to follow in this instance

landwehr

leave well enough alone...everyone wants to change the rules these days to suit their fantasies...the rule is tried and tested and has much wisdom in it