TOUCH-MOVE RULE

The BCF was the old name, the fact that Ireland, Scotland and Wales had their own federations was ignored for a long time, since 2005 the English Chess Federation controls official chess activities in England and the other countries have their own organisations.  The ECF is recognised by FIDE and operates under FIDE rules of course which insist on touch move. In any case the BCF even before 2005 operated under FIDE rules including touch move.

AMARU please go ahead and post the BCF rules you're talking about. And please let us know this club you play for and the competitions it plays in.

P.S. go ahead and look up the BCF website...tell me what they call themselves? (Hint, the first initial is E)

yeah...:))

I always played using the following: You may touch a piece and move it and rethink twice but if you hands are removed from this piece when it's moved, you can't go back. Then again, I never played in a tournament.

I always call people on touch move - and I have won games by doing so. If they are going to make mistakes, who are you to stop them?

When adults compete seriously, it's touch move all the way.

 As was recently discussed: chess is a mind game - therefore in games such as chess, there may be deception, which is deemed a good tactic, and hence 'tricks' or trickery. Since the game is one of the mindscape, then the psychological realm is fair game. It's like in poker when you reach for your chips and start counting them and 'make' like your just about to raise or call just to get a 'read' and to throw off your opononent- psychologically. This does not detract to these games, but adds a great dimension to them as well!

Though in chess one must rely primarily on the 'mechanics and mathematics' of the board, the live element to it is a distinguishing factor. That's why most true chess players, with the passion and at least modest to great skill, prefer OTB games. Factors such as confidence and intimidative determination come into play, and so do both sides of each players brain, as it were! Now that's a chess match for you!!

Basically, everyone should want to have 'a good game'. Such a game should be won with skill, not on techinicalities. A definite win is a most satisfying one. One mastered, and seen through to its glorious end. A good victory. Foolishness such as inturpreted over-adherence to techincalities of such trite rules which lead to nonsensical displays like that of the shortest master-level tournament game ever:

Rediculous, and if there even can be cheating in OTB chess tourneys, then surely this should qualify!... An avoidable issue if the rule were applies more liberally and basically  - sensibly.

Hope I've made my point.

lol..incredible! I can't believe it...

If you dont like the touch move rule the best thing for you to do is to NOT play any tournaments. I have never played in a tournament that did NOT enforce the rule.

totally... but I didn't say that..

The whiners can organize a takeback tournament perhaps?

what's the OP?

I'm not sur bro, I think it means, " getting back to the point? " !

I know a strong master that touches all his pieces before he makes the first move but he don't say j'adoube, so if you apply the rule you could make him move any piece but would not be very polite and would be a little annoying during the game keep remembering that you made him move .

yeah right..thx gab!

For those who don't know, if it's your turn you can say j'adoube if you want to touch some piece and then the opponent cannot force you to move the piece.

lol ok

i agree

Slightly off topic, but in the same ballpark...

Does touch move apply on pawn promotion, could you pick up a queen, then change your mind and take a knight instead?

Often players nominate the the chosen piece on promotion, eg they play pawn to e8, and say "queen" is this nomination binding?

 USCF rules say that when the promoted piece is released and the clock punched then the move is complete.

The rules also say to contact the td if no appropriate piece is immediately available. I don't see anything about verbally designating a piece for the promoted pawn, in fact they say that if the pawn is left on the square with no replacement the opponent merely starts the clock of the promoting player. There is also mentioned the oft-used provisional upside-down rook (for a queen) as acceptable but I suppose it could stand in for a knight or bishop as well. I suppose once the piece is declared in those circumstances with the upside-down rook that any verbal designation would be final.

Op stands for orignial poster.