Trash Talk:is it another strategy?

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jpd303 wrote:

i love goldendogs dig at that "patzer" who said he didnt believe in psychology he believed in good moves...but his actions surrounding the chess board said otherwise...conscious or unconscious Mr.Fischer involved himself in some real "trash talking" on many occasions-maybe not directly with words but with actions and inference...he also said that his favorite part of a game was when he crushed his opponents ego (dick cavat show)...sounds pretty psychological to me...anyway, if you go by the paradigm that use all resources available, then trash talking IS a vialble resourse...if you follow the idea that this is a gentlemans game then no trash talking!  between friends anything goes...i dont like trashing being talked to me so i dont engage in that behavior myself unless they REALLY get under my skin...


 Except for a time or two during the 1972 WC match, Fischer's behaviour *while at the board* is pretty exemplary. He even beat himself up over tipping a pawn towards Larsen as he moved it forward. Aggressive and unprofessional I gather.

The recurring "Fischer Ploy" that is sometimes taken as psychological was his chronic tardiness. However, I always took that as a combination of him hating to get out of bed and also avoiding all the people who are bustling about/taking photos at the beginning of the game.

His trash talk between games is legend. He had been touting himself as world's best for a decade at least before he finally beat Spassky in 1972, and he would sometimes call an upcoming game like Ali called his boxing matches. I think he said he would beat Najdorf in 25 moves, and he did.

I categorize the out-of-game trash talk as a different animal than the in-game banter, like hustlers engage in during their park games. Friendly banter, if both players are having fun with it, is something else. If I can get a smile I don't mind doing it with friends or amiable strangers. I make it pretty clear that I am fooling around and am happy to receive as well as dish.

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pimpskillz wrote:
socket2me wrote:

I feel bad for you.  Winners speak with their game. 


ging by ur raiting i guess ur not a winner. i'll beat u @ will loser


pimpskillz you are the loser

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the art of trash talking is to find out how your oponent handles the pressure of someone getting under their skin you can diable the chat but that just means i got to you and now you are more likely to make a mistake. I do use friendly banter during some games and it usually goes both ways my friends list has grown every day i play  so to each his own

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pimpskillz wrote:
Sisyphus67 wrote:

I can ignore idiots when they trash talk; little dogs bark the loudest.


 so lets see who bite the hardest. lets play or are you afraid?


It is kind of tough to do, little dog, when you only accept challenges from players below 1300.  

Avatar of Elona

I much prefer an opponent who talks in the chat column to a silent game.

Avatar of OMGdidIrealyjustsact

I usually talk in the chat box, but I'm not sure how much of the talk is trash. Usually I only talk when I've seriously improved the position to avoid being ironic.

Avatar of KillaBeez

I like trash talking in scholastic tournaments which mean nothing, but in serious tournament play, I always behave like a gentleman.

Avatar of slnv22

I'm wondering if there is any connection between the fact that you like to trash talk and your rating of 1239?

Avatar of DragonJoey3

Trash talk can trow off someone's game if they are dumb enough to listen to it.  However at OTB tournaments I believe any talking other than saying "check", "checkmate", or correcting a mistake is illegal.  I have seen trash talkers that were good, and trash talkers that couldn't win a game, however the answer is yes, trash talk can play an effective part of psychology in a game if the other person is of a short temper.  I agree with Sisyphus67, in saying that ignoring what your opponent says is the best strategy.

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slnv22 wrote:

I'm wondering if there is any connection between the fact that you like to trash talk and your rating of 1239?


 Well, not saying all trash talkers are bad, but normally it is the "inferiority complex" that causes most people to open their trap.

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HotFlow wrote:

I think trash talking is ok between adults, perhaps if you do it to an 8 year old then it isn't cool.  Also old people are not use to it so you shouldn't do it to them either.


so play alot of games with 8 yr olds and what do you consider old people  so i don't offend anyone during my games

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slnv22 wrote:

I'm wondering if there is any connection between the fact that you like to trash talk and your rating of 1239?


 Hello. Rating of 1800, also like to trash talk. Your argument is in tatters.

I heard a while back that people were thinking of introducing Chess.com's equiv to Godwin's law (Do not mention others' grades to attack their argument). Perhaps it is useful here.

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Here is one I have heard, "Have you ever played chess before?"  Here is one I have used, sometimes "Turn out the lights the party is over."  Also I have used this one when someone wants me to resign,  It's not over till the fat lady sings."

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pimpskillz wrote:

I love to trash talk. sometimes as a strategy to distract my opponent but mostly because its fun and make the game more interesting and challenging. its like two games in one. YOU KNOW YOU CANT WIN SO GIVE UP NOW IT'LL BE LESS PAINFUL FOR YOU!!!!!!!


so you think you got pimp skills? i think you got wimp skills.

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HotFlow wrote:

barnabus:

"what do you consider old people  so i don't offend anyone during my games"

Anyone over 30, how old are you again?  


well its obvious you can't read or you would know must be all the beer going to your head

Avatar of LokiMundane

I always enjoy that smug air that floats about me when someone that has been slinging trash out of their mouth gets thoroughly stomped.Smile

Avatar of uritbon

I don't mind trash talk, but I hate arrogance, and most people who trash talk while playing chess I know are simply arrogant, I really despise them, I don't think it is a good strategy to win games, because in order to win you must first play, and I don't play trash talkers if they don't watch their behavior and stay within the bounderies between friendly banter and arrogance and lacking the ability to shut up, or make friends.

you can see from this post that I am also one who uses the sarcastic method.

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It's always the people that lose who trash talk.

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Elona wrote:

I much prefer an opponent who talks in the chat column to a silent game.


Ah, but conversation over a game of chess is generally polite, and does make the game enjoyable to those who like it. 

Trash talking, however, is like having an obnoxious drunk at the Christmas party.

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Wow, I wonder why it is that the longest forum topics are the ones that matter the least.  If you want to trash-talk, fine, go for it, do what you gotta do.  If you want to banter back and forth in a friendly manner, awesome, lets go.  If you want to disable the chat, great job.  More importantly, who cares?  If you love trash talking then your probably not going to be playing people who hate it regularly.

On a side note, I did enjoy how the one guy talking about physical violence in response to trash-talking stopped posting.  A violent response to a verbal attack is almost never acceptable.  Whatever you say to me, I can generally either respond in kind, or just ignore you because your a moron.  I can say with full confidence that if I met anyone in real life who was a trash-talker, I would be able to restrain my fists of fury.

And when did telling someone they would beat you up physically stop being considered trash-talking?