True or False Chess is a Draw with Best Play from Both Sides

The question is stated well enough. I would lean towards true. Perhaps some day we will know for sure!

The marginal, almost infinitesimal advantage of going first in chess should mean a win for white when both sides play is 'perfect'. One of the many beautiful facets of chess is that this condition, when played by humans, will never be met. 

neverrains  I think thousands of perfect games have already been played.

What is your defintion of playing "perfect"?

people can you please stop saying in this oppening white will have adventge or black will eqaliuzed.There is a diffrencte beetwen eqaulize and draw.Plus black never eqaulizes white is a tempo up there he has advantage but for example black is more flexaible or gives white 5 tempos so he can cordinate his pices

and on the perfect game

if you ask god does he know evreything he will say yes but if you ask god how does he know evreything when if he dosent know something he wouldn't know that he dosent know evreything in.A perfect game dosent exsitst if did how would we knew there is not even a better game.But from persenoal expirence i know if both players play good,solid moves no blunders it will end in draw

pps1 On the one hand you say Black never equalizes but then you say if both players play good solid moves no blunders  the game will end in a draw.Would not you say that if a game ends in a draw that Black has equalized?  Also are not there opening variations where Black equalizes completely?

[maybe this is semantics?]

Yekatrinas you should know from watching my Centaur games it is Black who is playing for a win--not White? 

when people draw they draw because of:50 move rule,same position 3 times,no suficcent mating material.And white in the endgame might have a 0.30 or 0.15 avantege but is not engouh to win.

but look at this 

the seconde position is not eqaulized a chess engine would say white has advantage but what is that advantage development but black can put his pices on better sqares

this is what i have been trying to tell the world in position 3

Something tells me it may end up being a draw. But I feel we are many years away from computers having their last say (if ever in my lifetime). 

Now, both sides begin eq and opp - AND all information is disclosed. Unlike a game like, say, poker, the element of mystery seems to be removed. iow, no guessing. We know what our opp has.

Now. who has the edge ? Some say white because of initiative. But, some say black, I would guess for counterstriking reasons. But, my instincts say, whoever has the edge, doesn't have enough to force a win.

Interestingly, it's a though we are trying to predict the future using the past, wouldn't you say ? Many of our scholars back when have made predictions that ended up WAY off. So, everyting I feel is just that - feeling. I cannot back anything up. Thank gawd I do't know what lies ahead because then all my fun and excitement would be gone !

All in all, It's made for some great discussion. Keep it up everyone !

Ridiculous discussion. Chess is at draw at equal play, and so should it be...

It is a draw.

Good Morning Lou !.....I did what you told me last night...

ok, but wins or losses might occur, more often that your thery would suggest, rendering  your original hypothesis as False possibly.

indian1960 wrote:

Good Morning Lou !.....I did what you told me last night...

Good girl !

There is no opening where White wins more than 50% of the time.

[just a miscellaneos fact]

In the Fried Liver Attack, Black does fine if he or she defends precisely, but in practice this defense can be very difficult with the clock ticking. Consequently, White scores very well.

After 6.Nxf7

This comment shall incorporate my wisdom into this well-worn thread.

Imagine if you will....the year is 2043 (I will be 58 - gray and wrinkled ). Chess engines are playing 5000 chess - 2000 points above the current world champion (who is a twinkle in the night sky right now !)

ok...say we allow two top engines to play each other - each getting 1 week per move. Lotsa calculations...yes ? My chess instinct tells me it ends in a draw. I believe one side could and would gain an advantage - but not enough to win.

i don't know anything about the future and i don't want to know, but in this 2043 setup i think we're on the path to a theoretical draw. and although computer power keeps getting better, I sense there's a limit in the game of chess (at least in my lifetime). and re: im going on my feelings alone. I can back nothing up. But it's all wild and fun stuff, don't you think... !!

Anyway what is the difference between white and black wins percentage wise?

I mean in Las Vegas the casino i believe only has 3 percentage in Black Jack and no1 really bets against the casino, except for the players ofc

it's not just because of that, white is normally is higher elo than black when launchs fried liver attack. still you probably mean that it has a surprise factor, white is prepared (studied the open correctly) while black is not