Trying to explain the lack of female interest in chess

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brianchesscake wrote:

Chess is a game of mental warfare waged on the 64 black and white squares. It is a contest to prove your strategical and tactical superiority over the opponent. It is governed by the rules of ruthless logic and sheer complexity.

Males naturally gravitate towards activities involving complex logic and the added attraction of chess is that it can fuel the competitive drive and provide a positive way to channel aggression.

Whereas many women might ask "why do men waste their time on a silly board game?", most men tend to avoid the question entirely and instead are instinctively focused on challenging and crushing the person sitting on the other side of table in a grueling battle of determination and wits.

is this a rehash of @docwimz's recent topic just before he/she/it/they got muted and closed their account?

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/whats-the-point-of-wasting-hours-learning-a-board-game-womens-world

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Mike_Kalish wrote:
TheNameofNames wrote:

women spend more time nurturing men spend more time in a ruthless competitive setting i.e capitalism the world is corrupt is what im saying

Punctuation!.....is what I'm saying.

who cares honestly lol i know punctuation i dont feel like wasting time changing it for people who are looking to correct it, just like natural selection. Let the grammar fiends talk amongst themselves

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All I know is I had a coach for the summer and she was a 1900 FIDE female and she is awesome.

I have access to a strong female playing partner and she is awesome.

I have one female student and she is heads above shoulders to the males. Guess what? She is awesome too.

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Quick question for everyone is there any black-female gms? Sniff out clues there first it's a good place to start...This is cultural, i haven't looked but I'd bet most female masters if not basically all are Russian or Chinese. And this is due to the societal encouragement, i might sound racist or w.e. but do you even know of a female black master i don't doubt they exist i just look it up, but i didn't see if there were any gms. They aren't exactly encouraged in this society at least, idk maybe I'm wrong

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Jane_Cummings wrote:

Pretty sure that the person that posted this topic doesn’t have a partner is not in a relationship and knows next to nothing about the opposite sex. There are plenty of Men reading this that probably agree with the comment but know better than to express these opinions in an open forum 

I think OP is 12. 13 max. Isn't there an age limit on this site?

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idilis wrote:

is this a rehash of @docwimz's recent topic just before he/she/it/they got muted and closed their account?

I was inspired by her thought-provoking thread.

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AnRun wrote:

I think OP is 12. 13 max. Isn't there an age limit on this site?

My grammar and general usage of the English language is far too sophisticated for the adolescent level.

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TheNameofNames wrote:
Drawgood wrote:
TheNameofNames wrote:

i dont think chess is as one sided as people make it seem, i think women just get easily intimidated but they can be as interested in chess as men i think, id imagine (for the millionth time) that were better at because of evolution. We like to figure out problems, so do women but i think (its backed) that they are more likely to be interested in other things, like relationships or w.e. there's a stigma women being smart. Most get laughed at, and other societies practice this. I dont know much though, this just from inference reading news w.e. We have different interests, thats all it is i think

 So, is it due to evolutionary forces that your grammar and spelling are so horrible? If the ability to know language is a prerequisite to understand any science, why should anybody agree with your assertions about science? You probably aren't even able to understand the advanced text used in science books.

What you're making it sound like I'm sexist by getting all defensive im not agreeing with the guy, it's a scientific fact, listen to Peterson or something whatever mainstream psychologist you people like to listen to especially him, he'd agree that men have different interests. Woman's brains are wired differently in general; they are better at other things. I didn't say only because of evolution, but if you think we don't have different INTRESTS than a. you just need to wake up and take off your white knight armor. You're trying to make the argument personal so you can throw insults instead of having to accept evolution and TYRANNICAL societies that DISCOURAGE WOMEN from succeeding 

 If you are not sexist and sure about it, then ok. Maybe you really do not think you are, or maybe you do not think it is wrong to be sexist. Who knows. 

The fact that you say "listen to Peterson or something" may say a lot. He is not a mainstream psychologist. He is a fringe demagogue who sells his books and seminars to people. I think many mainstream psychologists do not agree with him.

We can agree that men and women have somewhat differently wired brain. But to me it sounds like you simply heard that therefore women are inherently worse at chess, and sounds like you provided an entire behavioral evolutionary explanation for this. I think here you have to provide some sort of source as evidence if you are going to make a statement that is so demonstrably offensive. Don't pretend like you do not know that this is offensive to people.

Basically you are rejecting any cultural factors and are trying to explain everything away by "Petersen or something". Once again. In some cultures the roles of men and women are very different from those we associate with playing chess. There are whole groups of people within cultures where chess is a thing, who openly reject anything like chess. Even the infamous IQ test is now widely considered to be an invalid measurement of intelligence, but you are essentially suggesting that something like the very narrow ability and interest in chess explain something genetic between men and women. Just think about it.

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I wasnt claiming to be an expert in sociology or on the brain, i was merely trying to make people think. And if i gotta do that with bad grammar then so be it

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"your white knight armor. "

Gentlemen(and women) we have contact of the incel kind.

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brianchesscake wrote:
AnRun wrote:

I think OP is 12. 13 max. Isn't there an age limit on this site?

My grammar and general usage of the English language is far too sophisticated for the adolescent level.

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You'll be here all week?

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TheNameofNames wrote:

Quick question for everyone is there any black-female gms? Sniff out clues there first it's a good place to start...This is cultural, i haven't looked but I'd bet most female masters if not basically all are Russian or Chinese. And this is due to the societal encouragement, i might sound racist or w.e. but do you even know of a female black master i don't doubt they exist i just look it up, but i didn't see if there were any gms. They aren't exactly encouraged in this society at least, idk maybe I'm wrong

Fiona Mutesi, and im sure there are other AFRICAN woman masters, but in the US? Hell nah. I try to spread awareness but its like in the black community you are looked at weird for doing the right thing or, normal people things. 

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Fiona isnt a gm, never mind

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ElomAssiobo wrote:

Fiona isnt a gm, never mind

There arent any this is my point its not just nature its also cultural, Maruice ashley is the only black gm i know of and Tanitoluwa, its even worse for the counterpart, im not implying race is important im demonstrating that the culture is a big role and the two could be related, but i think its just a follow the leader situation. In china learning is more important than love lmao 

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brianchesscake wrote:

... crushing the person sitting on the other side of table in a grueling battle of determination and wits.

I'm less interested in crushing my opponent; more interested in an enjoyable fight.

Though, some people (men or otherwise) play chess because the nature of the game offers the promise of control; the lure of mastery.

In life there is chaos, uncertainty, the possibility of hardship and misfortune. On the chess board, however, the variations are logical, the continuations: contained. It's an obsession as much as it is an escape ...

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hello

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Men are more into gaming (video games and board games).

According to youtube, men watch sports and gaming, women watch skin-care and makeup videos.

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TheNameofNames wrote: ElomAssiobo wrote:

Fiona isnt a gm, never mind

There arent any this is my point its not just nature its also cultural, Maruice ashley is the only black gm i know of and Tanitoluwa, its even worse for the counterpart, im not implying race is important im demonstrating that the culture is a big role and the two could be related, but i think its just a follow the leader situation. In china learning is more important than love lmao 

Yeah man i just found out about tani like a month ago, but i simply think its just cause black americans simply dont care (i'm black and african). And i mean they really dont care about chess or its benefits. Its just a dumb board game. Too make chess popular in the black community all you gotta do is find away to get alcohol and money mixed into it, or turn chess into gambling or something, then theyd care. But even then they wont take the game to the extremes of being a gm and its saddening but if they dont care, i do, and ill just continue to learn and play. Its just a board game to them, and there has to be a point behind it. If not its rendered useless.

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Exactly this is your answer i dont know why people still ask lol we like different things generallyÂ