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there is free food in the store

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PhilJC wrote:

Ok GnrfFrtzl ... I'm assuming you are staff ... let me ask of you ... how many thousands of customers are on-line right now ... paying customers ... and "No one works full time"?

Ok ... but ... members are frustrated with the scoring system ... it is overly onerous ... even if you get a correct answer you still lose points ... and that should not be the case ... maybe only a point for slow-but-correct answers ... but change is asked for and no commitments are forthcoming from (part-time) staff ... comment please?

Staff have commented on other threads that there will no longer be points deducted for correct answers on Tactics Trainer.  That will take effect with V3.  I haven't heard a lot more detail than that, but you can try it out by clicking "Try the new Chess.com!" at the bottome of the screen.

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chester6 wrote:
PhilJC wrote:

Ok GnrfFrtzl ... I'm assuming you are staff ... let me ask of you ... how many thousands of customers are on-line right now ... paying customers ... and "No one works full time"?

Ok ... but ... members are frustrated with the scoring system ... it is overly onerous ... even if you get a correct answer you still lose points ... and that should not be the case ... maybe only a point for slow-but-correct answers ... but change is asked for and no commitments are forthcoming from (part-time) staff ... comment please?

Staff have commented on other threads that there will no longer be points deducted for correct answers on Tactics Trainer.  That will take effect with V3.  I haven't heard a lot more detail than that, but you can try it out by clicking "Try the new Chess.com!" at the bottome of the screen.

Hmmm...  That's pretty interesting.  I wonder what that will look like across the population's rating curve, and what it will do for individual ratings.  I am not even sure, as a matter of fact, whether negative points for taking too long are consider wrong answers for a player's statistics.  If so, then someone like myself will suddenly not dip hundreds of points occasionally on TT.  I wish they wouldn't fuss so much with things that alter the population's numbers.  It's bad enough that I look at people who have peak ratings of 2200 from two years ago, and have no way of comparing that peak to my own (recent) peak.  Eh... any cause of inflation or deflation make the numbers even more meaningless.

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if you solve it, no matter how long time you take you get a +1 :D :P :)

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PhilJC írta:

Ok GnrfFrtzl ... I'm assuming you are staff ... let me ask of you ... how many thousands of customers are on-line right now ... paying customers ... and "No one works full time"?

Ok ... but ... members are frustrated with the scoring system ... it is overly onerous ... even if you get a correct answer you still lose points ... and that should not be the case ... maybe only a point for slow-but-correct answers ... but change is asked for and no commitments are forthcoming from (part-time) staff ... comment please?

I'm not part of the Staff, of course.
Let's just say that I've had friends in website development and maintenance, and it just works that way.
No one here works full time. There's simply no need for it once a website is up and running and major bugs and glitches are patched.
Instead of a single team working full time, there are dozens of staff members from each country that do their work a few times a week.
I'll bet anything that most of them are either volunteers that are working for free to get some experience that they can put in their CV later on, or interns and such that are paid by awarding them free memberships and such.
It's just how it goes.
The only time I used the actual ticket filing thingy, it took them 3 whole days to answer an e-mail.

By the looks of it, V3 will never make it.
Why's that, how's that you might ask?
Because the site is not on the edge of going down.
If people would just give up their memberships, stop paying, and everyone used AdBlock, V3 would be released in a minute to get their money back.
But as it is now, there will be no change at all.
Not a bit.
Write a feedback, you'll get a prewritten message.
File a ticket, and you'll wait days for the usual 'clear your cache; reinstall your browser' crap.
Rant on a thread, and a staff member might show up to calm you down with a promise that everything will be sorted in V3 once it's out.

As of now, you're just wasting your money, as everything available here for a paid membership is available from other sources.
If you're willing to pay for a false promise, then be it.
But then realise your own naivety and stop ranting on a thread that won't make a change anyway.

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Try the new Chess.com! 

pffffffft.  ^

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You are all biased against TT

TT is simply giving you the truth of the matter, take too long? Too bad, 99% of the people would just skim over it in a real game because they "don't have time to check every variation". 

ITS TRUE

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Anyone know if the changes/advantages/improvements to V3 in 'the new chess.com' (I'm assuming Chester6 you are right in reporting what staff have said) are posted anywhere? I'd kind of like to know why I should bother before I waste even more time. I switched over briefly to try the new format and while I don't like the interface I would be willing to get used to it if there truly were improvements.

Second question, when I look at 'Stats' I see there is a 'Leaderboard' ... anyone know of a fast way to find your own personal position on the board? As far as I can see it only jumps 2 pages at a time and for where I am that would take forever from top or bottom.

 

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PhilJC írta:

Anyone know if the changes/advantages/improvements to V3 in 'the new chess.com' (I'm assuming Chester6 you are right in reporting what staff have said) are posted anywhere? I'd kind of like to know why I should bother before I waste even more time. I switched over briefly to try the new format and while I don't like the interface I would be willing to get used to it if there truly were improvements.

Second question, when I look at 'Stats' I see there is a 'Leaderboard' ... anyone know of a fast way to find your own personal position on the board? As far as I can see it only jumps 2 pages at a time and for where I am that would take forever from top or bottom.

 

Let's just get this straight:
About 2 years ago, or so, in a sunny summer day, Chess.com has introduced V3 and wanted the members to give them feedback about it, as it was in development.
Since that very day, not even that beta version has changed a single bit.

The only improvements were made to the smartphone and tablet apps, and you might already know the answer to why is that:
Most people have no idea how to block ads on a smartphone, so they get their money.
They will never finish V3 on the browsers.
They don't even bother putting out any info about it anymore.

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I hear you GrnfFrtzl ... and I tend to agree ... I've been a member for just over a year but I sense it's time to leave ... any suggestions as to where to go?

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When the hell is this going to be fixed? I'm sick of it taking my points when I get problems right

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Again sorry, there's just a really simple solution and it is to use chess tempo or another tactics trainer. You don't have to quit playing on chess.com, there are still benefits on this site, just switch tactics to another server.

I think the timer issue on TT is OK if you are already an established player (with years of experience) and you want to sharpen up, but if you are say under 2000 level and learning patterns/ideas doing so under extreme time pressure is not ideal. Not just for tactics but for other areas (for example encouraging you to move quickly/not looking for opponent's threats etc.)

I'm not sure if this is different in V3 or not. I have tried it but I don't like the interface either - though I think that is me not liking change and having to figure out where everything is again rather than the upgrades. It might be better on the new v3, but personally I already use a perfect tactics trainer so I don't need to find out.

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skotheim2 wrote:

if you solve it, no matter how long time you take you get a +1 :D :P :)

+1? Even if you solve it in 5 seconds? :)

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no then you get 100% i think only 0% 25% 50% 75% 100% is possible

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Yeah, i agree that the TT scoring system on here is not that good, but the one on chess tempo is better

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For all chess learners though, the site which i prefer to must take a look at and complete the course(which is absolutely FREE) is chesscademy.com

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skotheim2 wrote:

no then you get 100% i think only 0% 25% 50% 75% 100% is possible

This is interesting. You were damn fast when you climbed 200 pts. :)

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The downside of allowing you to take forever to find the solution without some form of penalty, is that you hardly sharpen your ability to recognize patterns and candidate moves. Just brute force all moves and find the solution.

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VyboR wrote:

The downside of allowing you to take forever to find the solution without some form of penalty, is that you hardly sharpen your ability to recognize patterns and candidate moves. Just brute force all moves and find the solution.

I don't see that as a downside, I see that as a benefit. When you are first trying to learn patterns and ideas I think it is better to do so without having to move quickly, as I believe this just encourages bad habits. Later when you have built up a lot of patterns, maybe a timer system is a better idea then.

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Benedictine wrote:
VyboR wrote:

The downside of allowing you to take forever to find the solution without some form of penalty, is that you hardly sharpen your ability to recognize patterns and candidate moves. Just brute force all moves and find the solution.

I don't see that as a downside, I see that as a benefit. When you are first trying to learn patterns and ideas I think it is better to do so without having to move quickly, as I believe this just encourages bad habits. Later when you have built up a lot of patterns, maybe a timer system is a better idea then.

You clearly state the difference, you said "If you want to learn the patterns and ideas". My goal is to apply the patterns and ideas in a timely manner.

If you do not know the basic chess tactics like decoy, attraction, pin or mates like Morphy's mate or Swallow's tail mate, then personally I do not think that tactics is a thing you should do anyway, but rather study the tactics and mate patterns. I just named a few, but obviously there are many more tactics and mate patterns.