Uneducated chess players frustrating?

We don't play chess with him since there are many other interesting ways of spending time together. Besides that, I'm pretty sure he's a better player than you (since you don't have a title next to your name).

I can sense your irony, but it has no ground here. A simple analogy: a good violonist would be disgusted by someone producing horrible sounds from his beloved instrument. And there's nothing personal: not everyone is supposed to play the violin well, not everyone is a good chess player, etc. However, the better you are at something, the more of a perfectionist you become. The same with sense of beauty: a beginner finds picking a queen (which has been blundered) awesome. A weak amateur is proud of giving a smothered mate. A club player thinks that the Lasker sacrifice is rocket science. And so on. The more sophisticated your taste is, the higher the evaluation criteria.

Sarcasm, Natalia. 

I think it is important to distinguish here, some scenarios (all assuming your opponent is much worse than you):

A)  Tournament play.

B) Casual play.

C) Educational play.

Natalia got some flack about her comment, but I think this was probably more relevant to tournament play.  In this setting you may have prepared for weeks(months/years??) for competitive play - Then your opponent makes one or more terrible blunders.  It's the difference in the feeling you would get from climbing to a mountain top or being dropped off on one.  The end result is the same, but how you got there was always more important.  I remember in one case I was trouncing a player positionally, and was eager to convert the positive energy on the board into a clever win.  He suddenly made a very bad tactical error, and I hated to win that way.  Would a world class boxer be happy to win a title because his opponent twisted his ankle climbing into the ring?? =P

Casual games in this scenario don't bother me nearly as much.  Secretly I want all my friends to love chess with me, and to have them playing at all is a triumph (and I won't need satisfaction from flexing my chess muscles).  You know...it isn't important that they opened f3, it is important that they wanted to move a chess piece to begin with.

Educational referring to teams/clubs/etc.  In these settings, this is a relevant saying, "A stitch in time saves nine".  Ultimately, if your aim is to improve individually AND as a whole with your club or team, it is exciting to hash out improper play in practice before those important moments come.

As a sidenote I think that titled players should be careful about how they answer questions such as this.  You are icons to beginning players - What you say will be scrutinized in greater depth than anyone else.  Only encouraging words are going to fuel the next wave of eager young chess players.

I like this idea.  I'd had a feeling about it but never really put it into words.

Oh my gosh.  That's it!  That is the reason why most of my opponents don't give me trophies!  I feel so uneducated...  they don't even say  gg. .... meanies!

"Horse play"

A beautiful picture?

If drawn by YOUR child: a beautiful picture?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrqBoxPi70Q

Wow Natalia, I do hope you're tring to be a little funny with your opening sentence.  Poor play is just that, poor play.  "Disgusting", as you put it, is simply your emotional (over) reaction based on your personal expections.  To say to some novice (I'm referring to the OP here) that his "poor play" is disgusting is inproper.  By your reasoning your best games would mostly be judged as "disgusting" by anyone looking at them who a class or two stronger than you.  Poor/strong are relative terms that come into focus only contextually.  A great game for a novice might be one where they don't hang any pieces.  A great game for you, or me for that matter, would be something entirely different.  Lighten up, it's good for you heart.

By the way, I STRONGLY reccommend that you don't try to be a chess teacher.  You seem to have no sense of empathy whatsoever.  Which, btw, is a shame because a good teacher is always learning.

I'm not sure if this is the intended sentiment and I don't want to speak for Natalia or anyone else for that matter but... I know from personal experience that I have had several wins where my opponent simply made bad moves.  The win didn't come from any show of skill on my behalf.  Wins like this leave me feeling somewhat empty... much the same as winning a game of pool because my opponent scratched on the eight ball.  I view these not so much as "I won" but more like "my opponent lost".

... unless it's a draw.

What I hate the most is after a dominating game against a weaker player to force the final losing move I'm rewarded with the sentence "I was doing ok there until that blunder".  

I'm frustrated when I play against uneducated chess players only when I lose horribly against them in blitz (due to my pathetic blitz skills) and later find out that they wouldn't have a chance against me in slower time controls or online correspondence. So, I'm actually only frustrated only with myself.

I am frustrated with uneducated chess players though, when they post some arrogant forum entries regarding chesswise issues they don't really understand much about, and they are usually in majority in discussions so when you point out something they just pile up against you.

Leave poor Natalia alone - she has said nothing wrong!!

Yeah, stop making those disgusting remarks on poor Natalia!

I guess miss Polgar finds your play wery disgusting.

wow......i guess the most amazing thing about this is how much wear and tear some folks can get out of a simple question.......i have learned something,,,,,,i shall not renew my membership and will committ suicide for flying by the seat of my pants in every game i play....i thought it was sposed to be fun.......i'll go back to the checkers.com site

all kidding aside.....i enjoy playing....so i'll continue......if someone gets into a game with me that "makes you crazy"....resign

donnie ray

ps i have met some really nice folks on this site...so that's a good thing

I'm not convinced. I think a good musician would feel encouraged that a beginner was starting along the same path (but maybe not using the master's instrument to learn on!)

Since chess is competitive, in a match between an experienced player and a less experienced one, the more experienced player should be prepared to give odds. THEN we'd see how great that great player's play really was!

Love to play but thats all it is (play ).Its a game you can not control how someone plays so just have fun make a new friend and get over your self....