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soccerscience24

a few days ago, i was playing against an obnoxious player online. it was a close game, but eventually we reached this position...

 this position is completely drawn (i checked it later with chessmaster to confirm this), but because we are dealing with a computer, i had to offer the draw to my opponent. Despite the position, white continued the game by defending the pawn with the bishop, and preceded to dance around the board with his king. he did this because he had a time advaneouge (he had nine minutes left while i had four). i continued to offer draws and attempted to cause threefold repitition, but this was in vain, and my time eventually ran out.

my big question is, would this type of sleezy play be allowed in a tournament, or is it just a fundemental flaw to online chess? 


hatoblue

I've seen this often before, unfortunately, there isn't much you can do about it (on online chess at least). Time controls are part of the game, and winning on time is technically still 'winning'.  So you just have to deal with it, you can still draw by the 50 move rule in tournament play, but if its not programmed in the site, suck it up and move on :P


sstteevveenn
how could you put him in check with a bare king?  Anyway, I think in 4 minutes you can draw that fairly easily by just getting your king in the corner and staying there.  I dont know about regular tournaments, but with the sofia rule, maybe they would play out the repetition, although i guess they would just ask the arbiter to agree a draw.  It's most likely your opponent thought he was winning. 
johndoorway
I could be wrong but i think there is a rule that says if 50 moves go by without a pawn being moved then someone can claim a draw. If this is true, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, then you should have been able to make 50 moves in 4 minutes.
ozzie_c_cobblepot
Yes, 50 moves with no pawn moves and no captures is the rule. 50 moves in 4 minutes, shouldn't have been that hard. I think I could make 50 moves in 1 minute! :-)
likesforests

Those are the time controls you agreed to. You could have chosen to play with an increment or if you didn't want your game to be decided in such a manner. Or you could have simply made 50 back-and-forth moves in 4 minutes (not that hard).

soccerscience24> would this type of sleezy play be allowed in a tournament, or is it just a fundemental flaw to online chess?

USCF 2006 Blitz Rules

22. Insufficient losing chances claims cannot made in Blitz games.

In a standard time control game you could claim insufficient losing chances under rule 14I6 (rook pawn, wrong-colored bishop) but you were not playing a standard time control game, you were playing a (no increment, no delay) blitz game.


Loomis

These days tournament games are played with a time delay clock, so as long as you made your moves in under 5 seconds (simple in this position), you wouldn't lose on time and eventually the game would be drawn. I would imagine the shame of winning on time in this position in a public setting would keep it from happening in a tournament even in the days before time delay clock.

 

Also note that you can't claim "insufficient losing chances" when you are using a clock with time delay.


-MICKEY-

erik has cheating detection system now

Saccadic

Thanks mwilkin9

atomichicken

I can't believe it was that hard to make 50 moves in 4 minutes.