USCF Time Control Question

http://archive.uschess.org/ratings/info/time.html

Maybe someone can confirm this information for me: As of the official USCF rules, a 30+30 or 45+45 game, OTB, would count as a regular rating because the primary time control + the increment = more than 60. Is this correct? 

Thanks

Disclaimer: I'm not a TD, and I'm looking at these specific rules for the first time.

I'm assuming that 30+30 means G/30 d/30 (a single time control of Game in 30 minutes with a delay of 30 seconds per move) and 45+45 means G/45 d/45 (a single time control of Game in 45 minutes with a delay of 45 seconds per move).

This link gives the USCF Ratable Time Controls:

http://www.uschess.org/docs/gov/reports/timecontrols.pdf

As best as I can interpret the guidance, the G/30 d/30 would fall within the Dual (both regular and quick) rating system, and the G/45 d/45 would fall within the Regular only rating system.

(I hope I'm right.)

Thanks for taking the time. Indeed, I'm sure a tournament director is the only person we're going to be able to get a bonafide answer from on this. As is, I agree with your assessment of this except in that 30+30 would count for both quick and regular. I think it only counts for regular since 30+30 = 60 but again, I'm sure a TD can sort that out for us. 

45+45 would have to be regular only or the rules would perhaps need a tweak. That said, I know that large increment games like this are not that common in the USCF these days (at least in the northeast where I'm from). 

edit: Indeed - 30+30 and 45+45 are 30 minute primary control with a 30 second increment. Again, I know that the USCF is primarily using a 5 second delay these days but that's why I have the question in the first place. Since these are not their "standard" time controls, it's not clearly outlined in the rules. 

I'm pretty sure that by 30+30, the OP means 30 minutes with a 30 second increment. A 30 second delay is unheard of.

See my edit. Yes, 45+45 is 45 minutes on the clock with a 45 second increment per move. 

But I believe a total time of 60 minutes fits within the dual band:

Hmm....I think you're right. I forgot that it's 65 for exclusively standard and not 60. Thank you. 

45+45 is obviously long chess by any standard then, although it's still significantly shorter than a standard rated FIDE game which seems to be most accurately recreated online in 90+30 chess.

What I wish they had online, that we have offline, is secondary and tertiary time controls. Even against LucasChess's engines, I had a sick 30+30 going that reached move 40 with me bouncing on increment and the computer with about 5 minutes left and ticking. It ended with a 3 move repetition draw on move 42 with us both in severe time trouble. It would be nice to have the secondary TC kick in @ move 40 if we so choose to set the game up that way online.  

Not that I've played any serious chess, but I wasn't aware that we used increments in the USCF.

Ever? Only delay? 

Looking briefly at some of the rulebooks: http://archive.uschess.org/tds/clockrules.php

It looks like you're right. They only use delay and typically 2 or 5 seconds. They are, however, more fond of secondary and tertiary time controls such as 120 for the first 40 followed by 30 for the rest with a 5 second delay the entire time. 

So the issue with 30+30 or 45+45 would never come up. They seem to just have a caveat where a 25/5 would count as a 30 minute game because of the 5 second delay (25+5) if a tournament director so chooses to declare so prior to an event or at its onset. 

I'm not sure because I've only played a few Saturday and weekend events but I've never used an increment before. I don't think I even know how to set it hehe.

From the handful of times I've shown up to rated events at a USCF club - This is pretty standard. The guys there didn't know how to set up a 15+10 which is FIDE's Rapid Chess TC. They just had a preset for their weekly Swiss with is G35/5d. 

I'm pretty sure that if you have a 30+ second increment and at least a 5 minute base time for the time control then it is regular-rated, ONLY. Not dual. 

So what's the bottom line: Is or isn't increment allowed in rated USCF games? 

I would certainly hope so. I'm really getting tired of seeing the tournament pages littered with G35/5d's, and what not. Of course it's about style and opinion but I much prefer increment chess to delay chess. Additionally, why can't they just do it like FIDE and have one time control for rated classical, rapid, and blitz chess? I just think the way the USCF has things structured right now is the opposite of that - unstructured. This quick/regular dual rating really accomplishes nothing but encouraging rapid chess tournaments over standard ones and complicating things unnecessarily. 

I think I can clear up that question. The 5th edition of the rule book never mentions increments. However, the 6th edition of the rule book added increments as an option. So, yes, increment is allowed as an option.

I can't find anything in the 6th edition of the rule book that would support your belief, so I don't know where this idea is coming from.

Thanks for this and yeah...that's great news. Too many microwaved endgames as a result of 5 second delay rapid chess time control tournaments in the USCF right now.

The official rules of chess book states
"Dual Rating: All events with total playing time for each player of 30 to 65 minutes inclusive (30≤mm+ss≥65) will be dual rated, that is, rated under both the Quick and Regular rating systems."

If a game is at a duel rated time control, does it affect each rating as much as if the game were of a time control where only one rating was affected? Or since it's not solidly in one camp or the other, and kind of in a grey area, does it affect each, but with less of an impact on either?

As far as I'm aware, each pool gets rated normally, as if the game was only in that pool.