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Aug 5, 2016
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#42
Teichmann70 wrote:
I did not talk to you bat
Then you really need to be specific.
Aug 5, 2016
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#44
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Battle_of_Alexander_at_Issus
An allusion to Alexander the great cornering his enemies in the field of battle?
batgirl wrote:
camter wrote:
Alexander Alekhine vs A Popovic is an interesting mate.
Is this an example of an "Alexander's mate"?
If not, we have a new form of mate which replies to a Check with Checkmate. Cute.
A truly interesting mate that deserves a pedestal all its own, but it's not the Alexander's Mate mentioned, not only for anachronistic reasons, but also because it's not in the "corner of the field."
batgirl wrote:
Pulpofeira wrote:
I'm curious about the origin of that English word. Isn't necessarily related to chess, it is? For I can see it translates as "paralysis", or "dead point". Still, it includes the "mate" part, which could lead to confusion.
I'd written before: It's my understanding that the term Stale-Mate comes from combining the French word "estale," meaning "postion" and the word "mate" (Arabic "māta" --> French "mat").
How accurate that understanding might be is questionable.
I think the word 'Mate' comes from Persian 'Maat' which seems to come from Sanskrit 'Mruthyu' meaning 'death' or 'kill'. So, I think it definitely means some kind of a capture originally as its listed among the mates and is called 'stalemate'. So, its meant to be a win. For some reason, it was considered as 'stale' and draw in 1800s Europe.
If stalemate is stale, then so is zugzwang. Infact, stalemate is just ultimate zugzwang.
thegreat_patzer wrote:
Right. there was definitely regional differences in the game for quite awhile.
but international tournaments meant there had to be a consensus so....
the game is all defined now. don't be silly and expect any changes. I imagine, if they play chess the next thousand years- it will still be the same rules. oc, nobody will be able to beat the cyborgs and androids, so....
We never know. Stalemate thing was in confusion from 1600 to 1800 and was only settled as draw in 1800. Now after 200 yrs, maybe it will again change... you never know. Whether it changes or not, it seems silly to me because the king under stalemate is clearly in a lost position and completely paralysed. It infact seems like a really ingenious way to mate someone. I still can't understand why its supposed to be stale.
Aug 5, 2016
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#48
batgirl wrote:
camter wrote:
Weni, Widi, Wiki!
I think you just crossed the Rubicon.
Does not pay to mess with batgirl.
I sue for peace.
Aug 5, 2016
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#49
Ashvapathi wrote:
batgirl wrote:
Pulpofeira wrote:
I'm curious about the origin of that English word. Isn't necessarily related to chess, it is? For I can see it translates as "paralysis", or "dead point". Still, it includes the "mate" part, which could lead to confusion.
I'd written before: It's my understanding that the term Stale-Mate comes from combining the French word "estale," meaning "postion" and the word "mate" (Arabic "māta" --> French "mat").
How accurate that understanding might be is questionable.
I think the word 'Mate' comes from Persian 'Maat' which seems to come from Sanskrit 'Mruthyu' meaning 'death' or 'kill'. So, I think it definitely means some kind of a capture originally as its listed among the mates and is called 'stalemate'. So, its meant to be a win. For some reason, it was considered as 'stale' and draw in 1800s Europe.
If stalemate is stale, then so is zugzwang. Infact, stalemate is just ultimate zugzwang.
I'm certainly not an etymologist, but according to the 19th century liguist and chess expert, Willard Fisk, "māta is the English “mate" (mata being the verb, to mate). The origin of both -being virtually the word used by every nation—is the Arabic mat=dead"
According to Webster's Collegiate Dictionary gives "Per. shāh mat, lit., the king is dead, fr. Ar. māta is dead."
According to HJR Murray: "Our “checkmate” is from the Arabic shāh māta, 'the king is helpless.'"
lol