I'm not hurt by any label bro! Aronian may be very humble and humorous to say "I'm a cofeehouse player" although I didn't hear him say this. Link please?
What hurts me is when people are soooo absolute and disrespectful towards other people and their opinions.
"Have you been paying attention to the actual history of high level chess, the personalities, and their bombast? "
Is this a platonic question?
Who needs respect in high level chess, those russians are fixing the world championship matches anyway, all games are prearranged.
I'm not hurt by any label bro! Aronian may be very humble and humorous to say "I'm a cofeehouse player" although I didn't hear him say this. Link please?
What hurts me is when people are soooo absolute and disrespectful towards other people and their opinions.
First thing I found, not exactly the same, but its something:
"I tend to do things like this and friends tell me I'm a coffee house player"
http://gorkachc.blogspot.pt/2013/03/a-coffee-house-player.html
Who needs respect in high level chess, those russians are fixing the world championship matches anyway, all games are prearranged.
1965 called.
They want their paranoia back.
Bobby Fischer avatar.
People is not getting my jokes today.
I'm not hurt by any label bro! Aronian may be very humble and humorous to say "I'm a cofeehouse player" although I didn't hear him say this. Link please?
What hurts me is when people are soooo absolute and disrespectful towards other people and their opinions.
First thing I found, not exactly the same, but its something:
"I tend to do things like this and friends tell me I'm a coffee house player"
http://gorkachc.blogspot.pt/2013/03/a-coffee-house-player.html
Did you read he sentence where it stated that being a coffee-house player is:
... nothing to be ashamed of, and anyone who can trap a top 20 player tactically should be pretty happy with themselves.
I´m not arguing with you 
I'm not hurt by any label bro! Aronian may be very humble and humorous to say "I'm a cofeehouse player" although I didn't hear him say this. Link please?
What hurts me is when people are soooo absolute and disrespectful towards other people and their opinions.
First thing I found, not exactly the same, but its something:
"I tend to do things like this and friends tell me I'm a coffee house player"
http://gorkachc.blogspot.pt/2013/03/a-coffee-house-player.html
Did you read he sentence where it stated that being a coffee-house player is:
... nothing to be ashamed of, and anyone who can trap a top 20 player tactically should be pretty happy with themselves.
I´m not arguing with you
Bummer.
What else is there to do on an internet forum?
See my last post in the Morphy vs Steinitz thread... 
No he had recovery chances way after Qd7. Move 19 Houdini gave .09 so then it was a slow fall from there. Hard indeed to see. But it wasn't Qd7. That was bad, but Vishy didnt take proper advantage from there.
You miss the point which was where Aronian went wrong was in his strategic choices.
Also, relying on engines for this type of arm chair quarterbacking/posting is weak sauce. We all have our own engines to do this if we choose.
What?! Listen, he was not dead by move 11. Gimme a break. He came back and blew it again.
It doesn't matter where it came from. The truth is still the truth. I'm sure it was all your hard research that led you to believe Qd7 was his mistake. No article? No nothing? Did you even analyze it?
No he had recovery chances way after Qd7. Move 19 Houdini gave .09 so then it was a slow fall from there. Hard indeed to see. But it wasn't Qd7. That was bad, but Vishy didnt take proper advantage from there.
You miss the point which was where Aronian went wrong was in his strategic choices.
Also, relying on engines for this type of arm chair quarterbacking/posting is weak sauce. We all have our own engines to do this if we choose.
What?! Listen, he was not dead by move 11. Gimme a break. He came back and blew it again.
It doesn't matter where it came from. The truth is still the truth. I'm sure it was all your hard research that led you to believe Qd7 was his mistake. No article? No nothing? Did you even analyze it?
It's known theory. It's a dubious gambit in that position. No engine is needed to know this if one is familiar with the theory.
As for truth, if you think there is one, and that an engine provides it, then I offer my sincere condoloences.
You think he was lost right then? That's the only question. You said it once, do you stand by it?
To state aronian's chess is cofee-house is at least disrespectful and, considering it comes from an IM, very arrogant.
Nonsense. And pfren is hardly the first to make and relate such insight.
http://gorkachc.blogspot.com/2013/03/a-coffee-house-player.html
"..a move, player, or style of play characterized by risky, positionally dubious play that sets traps for the opponent. The name comes from the notion that one would expect to see such play in skittles games played in a coffeehouse or similar setting, particularly in games played for stakes and/or blitz chess.."
Aronian's play fits the definition very well.
Who would ever accuse Judit of being a coffee house player?!
I'm not hurt by any label bro! Aronian may be very humble and humorous to say "I'm a cofeehouse player" although I didn't hear him say this. Link please?
"I tend to do things like this and friends tell me I'm a coffee house player"
Levon Aronian, on his win against Ivanchuk, some one year ago, at the London Candidates tournament.
A very well played game by Anand. I somehow don't think he will keep that standard up for the whole event but if he can that will be splendid. And if Carlsen spends enough time on the chat show, simultaneous display, book signing circuit and his game drops off a re-match could conceivably be less one sided.
Can't really see it happening, though.
Anyway a plus score would help Anand go out with a roar rather than, as was looking likely, something of a whimper.
IMO aronian went wrong when he played ...Nb2. His position was already lost, but he could have conjured up some drawable counterplay
Not to belabor the obvious, but the term "Coffee House Player" when applied to a super-GM like Aronian is always meant to be at least partly humorous.
Agreed. And anyone intending the label as an insult is more than likely upset at losing too often to coffee-house players.
Who ever comes out of this tournament stands little chance against a Carlsen who is not only the highest rated human of all time, but now has a world championship match under his belt. I believe Kramnik 'would' give Carlsen the best possible match based on 2 factors. 1- He was a draw away from playing for the championship in the last candidates, and 2- He has plenty of match experience. If Topalov would win this tournament [which I doubt] he also has match experience, but I don't believe he's better than Kramnik, and Aronian is an excellent player, but I don't see him giving Carlsen a tougher time in a match than Kramnik. But who knows, I didn't think Aronian would lose in the first round to Anand, but that happened.
Bobby Fischer once referred to Lasker as a 'Coffee shop player'. To me that's like referring to CCR as a 'bar band'. Judging from how long Lasker was world champion he must have been the best 'coffee shop' player of all time.
No he had recovery chances way after Qd7. Move 19 Houdini gave .09 so then it was a slow fall from there. Hard indeed to see. But it wasn't Qd7. That was bad, but Vishy didnt take proper advantage from there.
The problem with engine analysis is that it doesn't distinguish where equality is already immanent, wher equalising sequences are robust over the next 5 or so moves, or where you have to play one very narrow sequence of moves over the next 11 turns to an opponent who has wide oppurtunity to otherwise keep a lead. Sometimes, when an engine says there is equality, it is only worst case equality for an otherwise won game.
Anish Giri was very very arrogant and disrespectful in his last statements-predictions. He's just a 19 yo newcomer -brilliant newcomer- and was like "he's too predictable, he's too this n' that".Were is the respect and sportmanship?