Was Alekhine assassinated?

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JamieDelarosa

Corned (corned mean salted) beef do it.

JamieDelarosa
newengland7 wrote:

I say unless 9/11 "Truthers" don't count as crazy then you definitely are crazy. 

I don't mind the satire or being kidded.  Stay on topic, please.

AutisticCath

"As I suspected, JamieDeLaRosa is an agent of KGB. Take care NewEngland7."

By golly! This means she was affiliated in Alekhine's assassination! No wonder she knows for certain he did not actually choke on a piece of meat!

JamieDelarosa

I am surprised no one has brought up the "French connection."  Alekhine was viewed by the French as a Nazi-collaborator, and post war, collaborators did not fare well in at the hands of the Victorious Resistance.

AutisticCath

"I am surprised no one has brought up the "French connection."  Alekhine was viewed by the French as a Nazi-collaborator,"

Ah, yes. The French connection. De La Rosa is a Spanish name meaning "of the rose". We all know Spanish is a derivative of Latin and so is French and hence, there's the French connection.

JamieDelarosa

Alekhine lived with his American-born wife, Grace, near Dieppe, in Normandy, France. They also maintained a studio in Paris.

When the Germans forced the French to capitulate, in June 1940, Grace went to Paris, while Alexander fled to Marseille, in Vichy France.  He then went to neutral Lisbon, in October 1940, to try to get a visa to Cuba or America, but failed.

From that point forward, according to Alekhine, he cooperated with the Nazis to protect his wife's French assets.  He is known have participated in several tounaments and matches in Germany, the former Austria, and the former Poland, through June 1943.

Thereafter, he went to neutral Spain and Portugal to be the "German representative" in tournaments held in those non-belligerent countries.

He is also alleged to have written anti-semitc articles for the Pariser Zeitung in early 1941.  Alekhine admits to writing articles to get an exit visa, but claimed they were re-written by the Nazi propaganists.

The problem for Alekhine, is he did not "exit" for another 2 1/2 years.  However, the issue of authorship remains an open question.

Nevertheless, Alekhine was considered a traitor not only by the Soviets, but also by the French.  Motive enough for post-war assassination.

NDsteve

Who wrote that garbage ?? You were not  there,You did not live in that time,you did not know him,you did not what it was like,you did not know his family, you  did not know his health problems,you did not know what family members he had to protect. What do want to do ?  dig up his grave and burn his corpse? He was 2nd greatest chess player that has ever lived in many peoples opinion except for the bozo,s that have earned grand master titles today and their best win is against  someone with A fide rating of just over  2100 which would be about 1800 or1900 30 years ago. FIDE is apperently giving those titles to anyone that wins A national championship so this is what happens,in countries like Germany and others all over the world,they want as many grandmasters as they can get because it looks good so they simply tell the grandmasters  with the title not to play and that gets them A new grandmaster every year. helps their country quailify for the olympiad. Alekhine was A great chess player and thats all that matters. I had A friend who lived in that part of the world at that time and he was very lucky to get out there. 3 time Paris chess champion and drew with Fischer,played people like Bent Larsen, 50+ years older then me but we were still friends. If you were not there the whole subject and thoughts are pointless. Just drop it !! ( 6 time Paris Chess Champion but three did no count because they had to hold the tournament by candle light because bombs were being dropped at night in Paris).  At least thats what I was told... 

NDsteve

NDsteve

Full story.  Still not clear and it never will be. 

JamieDelarosa

Steve, the sources for the historical information include the published tournament and match results, the recollections of Alekhine's son, the chronology by Bill Wall, a biography by Yuri Shaborov, Hans Kmoch, the linked articles by Kevin Sraggett, the linked articles by Edward Winter, Ken Whyld, British Chess Magazine, Chess, Chess Life, Chess Review, and various contemporary newspapers at the time.

No, I wasn't there - I am not an eyewitness.

NDsteve

Laughing

NDsteve

Alekhine was not there either. He,s still living at the South pole with Fischer and they play  chess everyday :)

JamieDelarosa

Good video - I have watched through the second annotated game.

NDsteve

The last part was the best after that. Just at the end. Nice topic but its to hard to tell what was really goin on. Thank You 

Marignon

As we know, the ostracism  to Alekhine was started by British Chess Federation, which aimed to cancel his match vs Botwinnik.

The Soviet government has arranged the match and was sure that Botwinik was much stronger. They really did not need this.

The idea that some splinter Soviet agents would do it for vengeance is absurd as we know how disciplined and centralized was their organization. And of course it would require assets and preparation from the Soviets, while for British agents Portugal was and is their backyard.

 

So I do not think that Alekhine was really killed - but if he was - only M6 (or maybe CIA) ruthless assassins could do this.

JamieDelarosa
Marignon wrote:

As we know, the ostracism  to Alekhine was started by British Chess Federation, which aimed to cancel his match vs Botwinnik.

The Soviet government has arranged the match and was sure that Botwinik was much stronger. They really did not need this.

The idea that some splinter Soviet agents would do it for vengeance is absurd as we know how disciplined and centralized was their organization. And of course it would require assets and preparation from the Soviets, while for British agents Portugal was and is their backyard.

 

So I do nopotPortt think that Alekhine was really killed - but if he was - only M6 (or maybe CIA) ruthless assassins could do this.

Not true!  Portugal was unique, becauce of location, and was neutral, so it was an obvious base for spy activity.

The CIA did not yet exist; however, the military OSS did maintain a station there.  As did every major intelligence service.

Who was friendly toward the Fascist Franco government of Spain"  And to the authoritarian Salazar  regime in Lisbon?  There might be your answer, because it was the Portuguese secret police who staged the death scene.

They were the "cleaners."

Marignon
JamieDelarosa wrote:
Marignon wrote:

Who was friendly toward the Fascist Franco government of Spain"  And to thr authoritarian Salazar  regime in Lisbon?  There might be your answer, because it was the Portuguese secret police who staged the death scene.

Definitely NOT the Soviet Union that supported The Republic in Spain, sheltered the republican refugees  and continuedly blamed Franco internationally.

On the contrary since the Napoleonic wars Portulal ("neutral" or not) was a British colony in everything but name. Even its Banknotes were printed in London.

JamieDelarosa

Thanks for the info.

You can't discount the old Chekists, though.

NDsteve

Don,t believe  everything you see in  pictures or read about history. 20 year age difference in these two people. One is propoganda A lie but some people still think it real. 

Elder_Knight

The Alekhine corpse in the photographs looks entirely too peaceful. Wouldn't the person who found him have loosened the man's collar, at the very least, in an attempt to revive him? More likely, he'd have been manhandled even more.

Isn't that a pocket chess set, up near the camera so that it looks larger?