We bought John Bartholomew!

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AnuJoesph
ESP-918 wrote:

They bought Ben Finegold as well ...

We*

Nino_98
david wrote:

I'm not familiar with the circumstances around this, but I think some people are making assumptions about what is in this contract. From the quote above:

I can still record a bit on [another site] as of now, but eventually 100% of my recorded/streaming play will be on Chess.com.

In other words, his contract clearly does NOT forbid him from playing on other sites.

Equally obviously, Chess.com is not paying him to stream from other chess sites, so John is choosing to go with the site that IS paying him and giving him a "career-changing opportunity"; he says that he is 

really excited to be a part of their push to professionalize chess (especially when it comes to streaming). I'll still be producing as much of the same content as ever, just on Chess.com

I would actually suggest that because Chess.com is paying him for stuff he was previously not being paid as much for, that he will be able to start producing even better content, attracting more people to the game and helping grow the overall market for Chess.

So is he allowed to stream from elsewhere?

Former_mod_david

According to the quoted material, sure. 

But why would he if Chess.com is willing to pay him to stream from here? If you can do virtually the same thing at two locations but one place is going to pay you for it, why would you choose to keep on doing the unpaid one?

SillyChessMoves

david wrote:

According to the quoted material, sure. 

But why would he if Chess.com is willing to pay him to stream from here? If you can do virtually the same thing at two locations but one place is going to pay you for it, why would you choose to keep on doing the unpaid one?

Free market economics 101. You offer a better deal you'll get better people. You never need to force anyone to do anything. People will always do what they think is best for them. So Chess.com sees that John is a great player/streamer and they can get a lot of traffic by bringing him on. It's a win win as far as I can see. Well done

RoobieRoo

You need to go to room 101 for reconditioning if you think that capitalism produces better results than altruism.  Look at the open source software community, it produces better software simply because it has a much broader range of expertise than do closed systems.  Also other completely free and unmentionable chess sites are beautifully programmed, work flawlessly and have equably as good players streaming with none of the inane and annoying advertisements that capitalist sites do.  You have not made any case why capitalism is better than altruism.

torrubirubi
Guys, you don't know that the guy is just a troll? The same guy wrote not long ago that he saw Magnus Carlsen stealing something. He has a pathological need for attention. If he would be a fireman he would certainly burn houses to be the first to arrive to the place. Actually ridiculous, and I am thinking seriously to contact support to kick the guy out from here. There is a difference between stupid and infantile troll behaviour and explicit defamation.
SillyChessMoves

robbie_1969 wrote:

You need to go to room 101 for reconditioning if you think that capitalism produces better results than altruism.  Look at the open source software community, it produces better software simply because it has a much broader range of expertise than do closed systems.  Also other completely free and unmentionable chess sites are beautifully programmed, work flawlessly and have equably as good players streaming with none of the inane and annoying advertisements that capitalist sites do.  You have not made any case why capitalism is better than altruism.

Always love debating politics and economics but I don't want to fill up this forum. Feel free to message me or create another forum and I'd be happy to teach you why I believe in free market economics

Martin_Stahl
robbie_1969 wrote:

You need to go to room 101 for reconditioning if you think that capitalism produces better results than altruism.  Look at the open source software community, it produces better software simply because it has a much broader range of expertise than do closed systems.  Also other completely free and unmentionable chess sites are beautifully programmed, work flawlessly and have equably as good players streaming with none of the inane and annoying advertisements that capitalist sites do.  You have not made any case why capitalism is better than altruism.

 

Passion drives quality and at the end of the day, getting paid for your passion is very likely going to be of better benefit to the larger range of parties than doing it for altruism. A lot of open source software is very good but so is a lot of closed source and more commercial software. There is a lot of junk on both sides as well.

 

The simple fact is that there is almost always money involved at some level. Chess.com goes the more commercial route and other sites may go a different way. However, even in a more open site, the money is coming from somewhere. Donations can grow a very large site, if there is sufficient demand for the end product, but it can also be a lot of work to get to that point and maintain it (e.g. Wikipedia and their funding drives).

 

It's isn't necessarily that one method is better than the other but that both have a place and can improve the overall ecosystem through competition.

AnuJoesph
torrubirubi wrote:
Guys, you don't know that the guy is just a troll? The same guy wrote not long ago that he saw Magnus Carlsen stealing something. He has a pathological need for attention. If he would be a fireman he would certainly burn houses to be the first to arrive to the place. Actually ridiculous, and I am thinking seriously to contact support to kick the guy out from here. There is a difference between stupid and infantile troll behaviour and explicit defamation.

Looks like the only one trolling this thread is you.

Nino_98

david wrote:

According to the quoted material, sure. 

But why would he if Chess.com is willing to pay him to stream from here? If you can do virtually the same thing at two locations but one place is going to pay you for it, why would you choose to keep on doing the unpaid one?

Because of huge tournaments on "elsewhere" that aren't as present here. I don't really understand what you're trying to say with "according to the quote material" didn't you write that yourself? Or are you referring to something else? And is or isn't that a definitive yes?

cfour_explosive
david wrote:

According to the quoted material, sure. 

sorry, that's just wrong. John clearly says he is allowed to stream on other sites "as of now", which he obviously wouldn't mention if he was indeed allowed to stream on other sites after "as of now", would he?

also, it's even forbidden to just mention the name of this other chess site in this forum, so it's quite ridiculous to believe that chess.com would allow John to play on this site

Penfold77
Nino_98 wrote:
david wrote:

According to the quoted material, sure. 

But why would he if Chess.com is willing to pay him to stream from here? If you can do virtually the same thing at two locations but one place is going to pay you for it, why would you choose to keep on doing the unpaid one?

Because of huge tournaments on "elsewhere" that aren't as present here. I don't really understand what you're trying to say with "according to the quote material" didn't you write that yourself? Or are you referring to something else? And is or isn't that a definitive yes?

 

Chess is Bartholomew's occupation. So why would he essentially work for free when he can do the same thing and get paid for it?

Nino_98

BobbyTalparov wrote:

robbie_1969 wrote:

You need to go to room 101 for reconditioning if you think that capitalism produces better results than altruism.  Look at the open source community, it produces better software simply because it has a much broader range of expertise than do closed systems.  Also other completely free and unmentionable chess sites are beautifully programmed, work flawlessly and have equably as good players streaming with none of the inane and annoying advertisements that capitalist sites do.

You think the open source community operates on altruism, do you? What is that funny stuff you are smoking, because it most certainly is some strong stuff.

Altruism: "disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others." What kind of self interests are you implying Elswhere.org of having? The guy that built it had never intended to get a penny from it. He has also said many times he doesn't care about the success of the site. People just donate because he deserves the money for building and paying for the site and being extremely responsive to feedback.

cfour_explosive
torrubirubi wrote:
Guys, you don't know that the guy is just a troll? The same guy wrote not long ago that he saw Magnus Carlsen stealing something. He has a pathological need for attention. If he would be a fireman he would certainly burn houses to be the first to arrive to the place. Actually ridiculous, and I am thinking seriously to contact support to kick the guy out from here. There is a difference between stupid and infantile troll behaviour and explicit defamation.

Well, I believe you should be the one apologizing here. The quote that OP posted is perfectly legit, he even posted a link where you can read it wink.png

Martin_Stahl
h4_explosive wrote:
david wrote:

According to the quoted material, sure. 

sorry, that's just wrong. John clearly says he is allowed to stream on other sites "as of now", which he obviously wouldn't mention if he was indeed allowed to stream on other sites after "as of now", would he?

also, it's even forbidden to just mention the name of this other chess site in this forum, so it's quite ridiculous to believe that chess.com would allow John to play on this site

 

There probably isn't a requirement not to play on other sites but just not to stream from them, starting at some point. If that is part of the contract I'm sure that both parties negotiated the details and if John agreed to it, then he apparently found it worthwhile.

Nino_98

Martin_Stahl wrote:

h4_explosive wrote:
david wrote:

According to the quoted material, sure. 

sorry, that's just wrong. John clearly says he is allowed to stream on other sites "as of now", which he obviously wouldn't mention if he was indeed allowed to stream on other sites after "as of now", would he?

also, it's even forbidden to just mention the name of this other chess site in this forum, so it's quite ridiculous to believe that chess.com would allow John to play on this site

 

There probably isn't a requirement not to play on other sites but just not to stream from them, starting at some point. If that is part of the contract I'm sure that both parties negotiated the details and if John agreed to it, then he apparently found it worthwhile.

The fact that he isn't allowed to stream from other sites is the whole point...

Nino_98

Martin_Stahl wrote:

h4_explosive wrote:
david wrote:

According to the quoted material, sure. 

sorry, that's just wrong. John clearly says he is allowed to stream on other sites "as of now", which he obviously wouldn't mention if he was indeed allowed to stream on other sites after "as of now", would he?

also, it's even forbidden to just mention the name of this other chess site in this forum, so it's quite ridiculous to believe that chess.com would allow John to play on this site

 

There probably isn't a requirement not to play on other sites but just not to stream from them, starting at some point. If that is part of the contract I'm sure that both parties negotiated the details and if John agreed to it, then he apparently found it worthwhile.

The fact that he isn't allowed to stream from other sites is the whole point...

Martin_Stahl
Nino_98 wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
h4_explosive wrote:
david wrote:

According to the quoted material, sure. 

sorry, that's just wrong. John clearly says he is allowed to stream on other sites "as of now", which he obviously wouldn't mention if he was indeed allowed to stream on other sites after "as of now", would he?

also, it's even forbidden to just mention the name of this other chess site in this forum, so it's quite ridiculous to believe that chess.com would allow John to play on this site

 

There probably isn't a requirement not to play on other sites but just not to stream from them, starting at some point. If that is part of the contract I'm sure that both parties negotiated the details and if John agreed to it, then he apparently found it worthwhile.

The fact that he isn't allowed to stream from other sites is the whole point...

 

If a company wants to pay someone to do a particular job for them in an exclusive format, then there isn't anything wrong with that. Apparently the compensation being provided was not a deal-breaker or the contract would not have been signed. edit: assuming that is part of the terms, since "for now" may not actually be as restrictive as it sounds.

Nino_98
Martin_Stahl wrote:

If a company wants to pay someone to do a particular job for them in an exclusive format, then there isn't anything wrong with that. Apparently the compensation being provided was not a deal-breaker or the contract would not have been signed. edit: assuming that is part of the terms, since "for now" may not actually be as restrictive as it sounds.

It's reasonable to pay chess personalities for streaming on your site, however, it isn't reasonable to force them to boycott another website, or in this case effectively pretend like it doesn't exist. We're not talking about John's prosperity but about some sites, that very well deserve exposure and are deliberately being held in the dark by chesscom. It's sabotaging competition. How is that fair?

dfgh123

He was only streaming on the other sites to get a break like this, wake up