...We must await Wesley's explanation before passing final judgement. I saw a guy resign a won game once only to learn later that he wanted some of his opponents chicken wings!!
Wesley So resigned after 6 moves
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I definietely agree that it "could" be code. And there's no way to prove otherwise, hence that's certainly one of the reasons for this rule.
But if it's NOT code, then is it still cheating? That's debatable. (To me anyway. To put it another way, I don't think cheating would be the most accurate word to use.)
As a somewhat similar example, you can't be convicted of perjury if you tell a lie on the witness stand, as long as you believe what you're telling is the truth (even if it is not). Perjury implies willfully and knowingly telling an untruth.
If Wesley wrote something that was not code, and if he did with no intention of gaining any kind of an advantage, I would argue yes he broke the rules and yes he should be forfeited, but I wouldn't say he "cheated." Again, I think that word in this situation is not the most accurate word to use here. There's a lot of other rules you can probably break but if you do break one of them, that doesn't mean you "cheated."
Just my two cents, of course.
Apr 10, 2015
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ProphetoftheLord wrote:
...We must await Wesley's explanation before passing final judgement. I saw a guy resign a won game once only to learn later that he wanted some of his opponents chicken wings!!
I'd be interested in knowing what the notes were! Alas, they may never be revealed.
Apr 10, 2015
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Tony Rich (arbiter) said they were notes of encouragement. He made it quite clear they weren't chess notation or anything like that, but nevertheless rules is rules.
Karpov and Korchnoi kicked each other under the table during their match, and they weren´t punished. Times have changed!
Apr 10, 2015
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mecuelgalapieza wrote:
Karpov and Korchnoi kicked each other under the table during their match, and they weren´t punished. Times have changed!
wow.
Maybe an emergency came up and he eeded to deal with it.
Yea, in some of the older chess books incidents are being mentioned that are pretty bad to downright bizarre.
I guess before cameras became a widespread technology that could easily be used even at minor events players did some pretty cutthroat things to each other.
Apr 10, 2015
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SilentKnighte5 wrote:
Synaphai wrote:
Will this game change his rating? I think forfeited games do not affect ratings, but I'm not sure about cases like this one.
I think it counts since moves were played.
Well, it has to, otherwise players in a losing position could save their ratings by simply doodling on their scoresheets in order to get forfeited.
Please, Welsey So was not breaking any rules, it is irrelevant drawing and some notes not concerning about chess; is Varuzhan Akobian is a punk, he was afraid of Wesley and made a lame excuse that it bother him.
Natalia Pogonia said,
Is there even a rule about this being illegal? I've seen many players draw on the scoresheet, make time notes, etc.
That said it all, a lame excuse for not playing against Wesley So, it is fear of losing. Varuzhan Akobian is a jackass and loser!!!
Exactly. And it's a shame that Natalia couldn't have done a simple Google search.
Chess.com obtained this picture of GM Wesley So's score They going to forfeit player for this? There something wrong here. Like I say Kobian is punk and a loser. It is disgusting to do this to a top ten player, we in American don't have chess culture, no respect for a player in Wesley So caliber.
That sucks for Wesley. I feel bad.
He wasn't forfeited for cheating. He was forfeited for breaking the rules.
If your phone rings you're forfeited. Nobody whines about whether it's cheating.
it sucks for wesley but he broke the rules 3 times. There was nothing else they could do
Did you see?
I agree... any appeal will not be successful. And yes, it definitely would be distracting to most opponents. I support the decision.
Not to hijack this thread, but speaking of Alejandro Ramirez, I find him very refreshing. I'm enjoying listening to him more so than Jennifer.
Him and Seirawan are fantastic commentators. Don't care for anything Jen has to say.