What am I lacking in chess? What do I need to gain lets say 100 or 200 points in both rapid and 10

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Daybreak57
Take the following position for example
 

I actually imagined something like this happening after I made this move in the following game:

 

 

This leads to my point.  I often make gut decisions in my chess game, and a lot of times my gut is wrong, like in this instance here, as when white retreats his bishop and just takes my knight next move, opting to trade pieces because I am already down a piece, I would have had, you guessed it, absolutely nothing for my sac.  Of course this didn't happen in the game, as by move 6 for some mysterious reason my opponent resigned, however, I had the idea in my head, thinking that something could had happened there, but all white needs to do is trade pieces to prevent that from happening, simple trading tactic when up a piece.  I think any chess player worth his salt would have just traded away his bishop for my knight to get rid of my attacking potential, which was rather high.  

 

In another game OTB I thought I had a fishing pole type tactic but later after committing a pawn move I realized that he could just move his king out of danger because his king did have breathing room.  After making that pawn move my whole structure was ruined and I should have lost the game, but didn't, because my opponent failed to see a simple forcing continuation that would have won him the game.  

 

I've also been told that in a lot of the games where I lost I had a superior position but lost because I didn't see the tactic to win the game.

 

First off, I already have a tactics regime in mind to partake in in the near future, which would consume a great deal of time each day, but what else do I need?  What will cause me to stop making these mistakes of thinking I see a winning continuation in my head but later finding out that it can be parried and I end up losing?  I once read that Magnus Carson often knows how to proceed simply by thinking about it for a little bit, but has to check is answer by thoroughly going over it in his head to see if what he see's in his head is correct.  I do not ever plan to be on par with Magnus Carson, however, I would like to know how I can get a little better, some sort of regime, to train myself to not just do what I think is right on my head, and to check my instincts with solid calculation.  Also, how, in the name, of Operah Winfree's Ass, do I calculate that far ahead, not like the way I did this game, but go over move by move, in my head, from move 6 to the end?  How?  If I can find an answer to that, then I would have solved my problem.  Actually all I would have had to see in this case is that my devastating knight could be traded for his not so useful bishop.  So I guess the short answer is that I do not always need to calculate 20 moves deep.  The question becomes, how do you know when you have to calculate 20 moves deep?  I guess Heisman sort of answers this in his book chess improvement, but I'd like other less formal input before I re-read chapters 2 and 3 of that book.  Okay so lets say we know when to think 20 moves deep.  Now the question becomes, how do you think 20 moves deep in your freaking head?  

 

 

AllviewP9Lite

There is a "magic" circle  that almost all beginners/intermediate players fell. And that is they never improve up to a low basic level. Why, simply because they don't play strong opponents. But to play strong opponents a one must win games vs low rated right? And here comes the problem.

"A" (you) is playing low rated guy "B" in bullet. It's chaos. Pieces everywhere, dropping stuff, checkmate opportunety.. its crazy. But it's fun and you like it. You want more of that, because you play what you want, you win games, some you lose and that's wondefull. But it's called Hope chess. You are not playing correct chess. And when it happens to play real opponent he smashes you, you feel bad and you imidiately start new game searching for that low rated guy to smash him with 
"amazing" attack that he could not defend, giving you that ego boost... 

Stop playing bullet. Start playing 10 min games or more. Start to study. Start with tactics, because 1800 rating here on tactics its still beginner level. Take lessons, watch videos, try chess mentor really helped me improve. Watch videos on youtube, i have watched thousands of them and that boost me up quick to 2000 level.

Cherub_Enjel

You don't need to play stronger opponents to get better. This used to be true only because stronger players punished you for your errors, unlike weaker players. With engines, this is pretty much fixed, as long as you use them right. The only thing stronger players can do is put more pressure on you by creating tricky (but objectively not best) positions, and many engines have that playing mode as an option.

AllviewP9Lite

In my opinion Playing against engines for a beginner/intermediate player is not recommended. Perhaps some endgames practice is alright but They simply don't understand the moves and where and why they get something/everything wrong. They are good only if you are already near or above 2000 level.

Just find and play against players who don't blunder mate in 1 or drop their queen or bring queen out on move 2... and  those who play moves without reasons like a3 a4 a5 etc.

Daybreak57
AllviewP9Lite wrote:

There is a "magic" circle  that almost all beginners/intermediate players fell. And that is they never improve up to a low basic level. Why, simply because they don't play strong opponents. But to play strong opponents a one must win games vs low rated right? And here comes the problem.

"A" (you) is playing low rated guy "B" in bullet. It's chaos. Pieces everywhere, dropping stuff, checkmate opportunety.. its crazy. But it's fun and you like it. You want more of that, because you play what you want, you win games, some you lose and that's wondefull. But it's called Hope chess. You are not playing correct chess. And when it happens to play real opponent he smashes you, you feel bad and you imidiately start new game searching for that low rated guy to smash him with 
"amazing" attack that he could not defend, giving you that ego boost... 

Stop playing bullet. Start playing 10 min games or more. Start to study. Start with tactics, because 1800 rating here on tactics its still beginner level. Take lessons, watch videos, try chess mentor really helped me improve. Watch videos on youtube, i have watched thousands of them and that boost me up quick to 2000 level.

Yup, I've played too many bullet games on chess.com LOL.  I've been told before not to play bullet at my level, but does a fish go back to land or to water? grin.png

 

Yeah I know I have to play looooooonnnnnger games.  Thanks for your feedback.  I now know that I knew the answer all along I just needed someone to tell me something I already knew to make it official.  I should watch more videos and start with the mentor exorcises that where recommended for me in the past.  Thanks for letting me know 1800 on tactics is still beginner level.  I let myself get cocky with that rating...  I will begin my tactics regime today.  Wish me luck!  It will be an 8 month process to go over all my sets multiple times, cuppled with a daily training on tactics trainer and some spot training on chesstempo (I often miss double threats and forks so I am doing puzzles in that theme there)

Cherub_Enjel

I just noticed your title. The easiest answer is just stop resigning games so early. You lost a game in 11 moves because you lost 2 pawns in the opening, and you had some compensation even. Not even a GM would resign in that position. 

If you throw away rating points like that, then obviously your rating will remain low. 

Daybreak57
Cherub_Enjel wrote:

You don't need to play stronger opponents to get better. This used to be true only because stronger players punished you for your errors, unlike weaker players. With engines, this is pretty much fixed, as long as you use them right. The only thing stronger players can do is put more pressure on you by creating tricky (but objectively not best) positions, and many engines have that playing mode as an option.

 I will do a mixture of playing against the computer and playing against stronger players, however, right now my opponents are too strong for me that I don't learn much anymore simply because the time controls we play are too fast (3 minute chess).  I could slow it down to 5 minutes, but they will not play me longer than that, they fried their brains a long time ago and can't play longer than 5 minute chess sad.png, and the games I play against two of these guys who are probably rated 1800 OTB (maybe 1600 or 1700) in blitz, as they do not play long games.  They both used to, but one of my friends doesn't like to play long games so he only plays with the clock, unless you are a beginner, then he will teach you while playing a long game.

 

I think there is a mysterious force at the starbucks we play at that forces us to play 3 minute games.  A long time ago, an ass named Waylen decided that he will beat me more by simply downing our time from 5 minutes to 3 minutes because he knows I take a lot of time on my clock to move a lot of the time, and will often lose with time in a 3 minute game.  So we started playing 3 minutes, my chess growth was stunted for the next 8 years.  Woe is me.

 

Anyway, that is a little about why I still play 3 minute chess OTB.  I would rather play 10 minutes, but everyone I play blitz with only wants to play 3 minutes, only some will play 5 minutes with me.

 

I don't like playing against the computer though, but I will do more of it.  There are people that play chess at the mall who are a different set of people I play at starbucks with, who will play me 10 minute blitz, but there is one guy that will only play 30 minute games, and no less, unless you want to play him without the clock, then I will be playing at a disadvantage because I will take only 2 seconds to make my moves and he will take 5 to 10 minutes per move!  I learned my lesson, only play with the clock with him wink.png

 

btw, Cherub, what engines have a mode where they play like humans?  Or what modes where you talking about again, care to elaborate on different playing modes with engines?

Cherub_Enjel

Yeah, basically there are settings on certain engine programs that can make the engine choose to get positions where the 2nd/3rd best moves for you tend to be a lot worse than the best move, or something similar to that, while at the same time the engine's moves aren't that bad. 

I wouldn't call it playing like a human - just that humans (especially me) don't often play objectively best moves, but like to trick opponents. I win most of my games through tricking my opponents. A GM told me that against players under 2300 rating, he just starts attacks, even unsound attacks, because he knows those player can't deal with them and lose quickly. 

Daybreak57
AllviewP9Lite wrote:

In my opinion Playing against engines for a beginner/intermediate player is not recommended. Perhaps some endgames practice is alright but They simply don't understand the moves and where and why they get something/everything wrong. They are good only if you are already near or above 2000 level.

Just find and play against players who don't blunder mate in 1 or drop their queen or bring queen out on move 2... and  those who play moves without reasons like a3 a4 a5 etc.

I recall a game where I played a4 a5 a6 then h4 h5 h6, and my friend saced some material, and did a forced mate in I forgot how many moves.  I saw a grand master pulverize someone with that opening, I wanted to try it out, looked like I could learn a few things wink.png

 

Anyway, on a more serious note, I've heard the same thing, that it's not good to only play against computer opponents.  I will try and play more stronger opponents and play some sparring matches with the computer on certain openings a certain number of days out of the week, but I will play more actual players who are stronger than me than computer opponents.  At least I'll try.  I need to find more chess players in my area.  I found one guy who would have been a good match for me.  He was about my skill level, but moved a lot faster than me, and had a different style than someone who I already play against, which would have helped me learn other kinds of moves from a player both my skill level and is a lot faster than me so he would naturally make me learn to move faster.  But he moved to another city sad.png

 

When I play someone knew I try to feel them out and play slower than usual but as I play them more I move faster and faster with them.

 

I will text message a guy more often that is a lot better than me and I'll try and play 10 minute games with him.  See if he'll take to it.  I will probably win some of the games at 10 minutes!  I'll go to the mall on Fridays and play stronger opponents there as well.  There is a master who doesn't quite play like he used to as he hasn't played professionally in quite some time there he will spot me 3 minutes.  So I'll have 5 minutes and he'll have 2 minutes, but I think it needs to be 3 5.  He's still a lot better than me, probably still playing at 1900 OTB.  There is a NM that rarely goes who I asked if he can play for a couple hours with me on certain Saturdays and I'll pay him for his time.  If it's chess club then he'll play for free but if we meet any other time he wants to be paid and he will give me a discount because I know him!

 

So between playing that guy I can text on occasion 10 minute games hopefully, that guy who is now playing at 1900 OTB with a time advantage, and playing 10 instructive long games with a NM once a month at least with a quick analysis of my moves after each game I think for a discount price, and also occasionally play against two strong OTB players one of them playing the occasional 10 minute blitz with as he likes to play simuls there with the people there and can't play blitz Simuls yet, would that be enough?  Maybe I can play more with this guy who play's Simuls... 10 minute games at Starbucks sometimes when me and my other friend go, (who doesn't play me anymore I think he knows he's too good for me).  I think all of that would be enough, I would just like to play even more though, perhaps going over to the UC chess club will be in order to meet new people to play.

 

I would play against someone else more who is about the same rating as me, but he works too much and get's tired due to health problems and age.  But then again after telling me that he has a big headache and probably won't play good he beats me 5 games LOL  Him and I go back and forth.  Sometimes I can never beat him, sometimes he can never beat me, but it's usually a mixture between me checkmating him, him checkmating me, and him winning on time because he's a faster player than I, and that means he wins more than me sad.png.  The only Goal I see to improving with him is by improving with time.  He doesn't like playing anything more than 3 minutes though, which is the problem.  I need to be playing 10 minute games, and here all he will play is 3 or maybe 5 minute games because he thinks 10 minutes is boring or something.

Daybreak57
Cherub_Enjel wrote:

I just noticed your title. The easiest answer is just stop resigning games so early. You lost a game in 11 moves because you lost 2 pawns in the opening, and you had some compensation even. Not even a GM would resign in that position. 

If you throw away rating points like that, then obviously your rating will remain low. 

Yeah, I shouldn't have resigned that game.  Actually I do stuff like that a lot.  I will keep this in mind, thanks.

thegreat_patzer

one of my all time funnest goals was to go from 1000 to 1200 in blitz.

I did it!, well I've lost some since then.

 

but it was very fun, and encouraging but I'm not sure it helped my chess.

 

its good to remember that getting better at chess is Not the same thing as gaining rating.

 

you can gain rating by doing all sorts of things.

 

my favorite was playing MORE on a day when I was winning- and learning to cut my loses.

kind of like learning Not to play chess on "tilt".

wink.png

ndb2010

How about an engine like Fritz in "friend" mode - where it adapts to your ability? We've tried it at home, the engine at 1000 setting seems way better than people with 1000 ratings, which I found odd - I thought it would have been well calibrated.  Perhaps the main difference is engine never seems to make a first order blunder . . .

Rat1960

" but all white needs to do is trade pieces to prevent that from happening, simple trading tactic when up a piece.  I think any chess player worth his salt would have just traded away his bishop for my knight to get rid of my attacking potential, which was rather high. "

Nope. The Bishop on c4 has to go to b3 to meet ( ... Nb4) 

14. Qh3 as your knight does *not* get to g4 or e4.
A tad painful using the queen to block ... h3 but hey a piece is a piece.
As white I have to play d4 (c2xd3 on ep) for my queen's bishop and Nc3 to make your Nd5 either change or back off. I want you fretting about your f7 until you move your rook off the h-file.
Whether you agree with the notes above or not, the point is it took me five minutes to see.
In a blitz game I would wrongly chop off your b-pawn (14. Qxb7) thinking I would get the trick Qxc6+ and QxBc5 to deal with your bishop and knight threat on f2. 
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What you want is a player who is +200 on you who is prepared to play  two  30 min each games per week for three months. Then ask the NM for a flat fee to chatter about the 20 or so games.

Daybreak57
thegreat_patzer wrote:

one of my all time funnest goals was to go from 1000 to 1200 in blitz.

I did it!, well I've lost some since then.

 

but it was very fun, and encouraging but I'm not sure it helped my chess.

 

its good to remember that getting better at chess is Not the same thing as gaining rating.

 

you can gain rating by doing all sorts of things.

 

my favorite was playing MORE on a day when I was winning- and learning to cut my loses.

kind of like learning Not to play chess on "tilt".

 

 

I'm sure there is a degree of truth to what you have stated.  However, I've read here in the forums that blitz ratings fluctuate some 100 to 200 points all the time.  I would have to rely mainly on my rapid rating to tell the real story, but I'd like my blitz to fluctuate between 1600-1800 in the near future if possible.  Right now if I play 20 to 30 games, I could possibly go as low as 1380 before I start to gain points again.  That is just my level right now.  I stopped playing blitz for the time being because I wanted to focus more on games with longer time controls atm when it comes to online chess on live.  Thing is I am in the process of changing my opening to d4 because I now hate e4 with a passion as white.  No one here can pay me to play e4, unless it's at least 100 bucks just to play e4.  I hate e4 because most of the time people will played anti-fried liver in conjunction with trading off the light squared bishops, leaving it to be a rather boring game, almost endgame if the queens are traded off.  It's pointless to play the Anti-fried liver because there is an opening that demolishes any hope or chance of white to win anything at all but a free pawn in the beginning of the game, but such is just a false sense of security.  I've decided that this opening is terrible for white if black knows this resource.  The only liver that is going to be fried if black knows the correct way to play the two knights defense rather than playing the silly anti fried liver defense is whites, as whites game comes crashing down the tubes with a deadly attack no matter what white tries to do.  I think beginners only look at the fact that black is down a pawn in this opening, and do not even bother to do the normal developing moves that open up whites many weaknesses in this opening.  It's like white had no idea he was setting himself up for failure as he has absolutely no attack at all when black gambits this pawn, plops his knight on the rim, and then destroys the future of the white dark squared bishop to the point where that piece becomes more of a liability than an asset, not to mention to attacks that can easily be made to whites king who must be castled kingside because queenside would just take way to damn freaking long white would have been killed by the time he tried to castle queenside.  But no no no, play your anti-fried liver and trade off those light squared bishops, and turn the game into a boring sigh.  

Daybreak57
Rat1960 wrote:

" but all white needs to do is trade pieces to prevent that from happening, simple trading tactic when up a piece.  I think any chess player worth his salt would have just traded away his bishop for my knight to get rid of my attacking potential, which was rather high. "

Nope. The Bishop on c4 has to go to b3 to meet ( ... Nb4) 

14. Qh3 as your knight does *not* get to g4 or e4.
A tad painful using the queen to block ... h3 but hey a piece is a piece.
As white I have to play d4 (c2xd3 on ep) for my queen's bishop and Nc3 to make your Nd5 either change or back off. I want you fretting about your f7 until you move your rook off the h-file.
Whether you agree with the notes above or not, the point is it took me five minutes to see.
In a blitz game I would wrongly chop off your b-pawn (14. Qxb7) thinking I would get the trick Qxc6+ and QxBc5 to deal with your bishop and knight threat on f2. 
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What you want is a player who is +200 on you who is prepared to play  two  30 min each games per week for three months. Then ask the NM for a flat fee to chatter about the 20 or so games.

Your right but I would have never seen this I was focused too much on attacking his king to see any kind of tactic on that side of the board.  I get tunnel vision sometimes, another thing I need to fix.

 

So you think I should play against someone 200 points higher rated than I 2 times per week 30 minute games for 3 months before I take a stab at the NM?  Hmmmm, I will have to find someone that is "just" 200 points higher than me.  This is hard because I don't even know my actual rating LOL.  I know I play better OTB than I do online.  I just have played a lot more OTB games than online games so my eyes see moves more easily on the 3D board.  I will try and find someone to play 30 minute games twice a week that is 200 points higher than me at the UC chess club.  There are new faces I can play there.  I will know more when I go there during the weekend.

kindaspongey

Possibly of interest:
Simple Attacking Plans by Fred Wilson (2012)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708090402/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review874.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/Shop/Images/Pdfs/7192.pdf
Logical Chess: Move by Move by Irving Chernev (1957)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708104437/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/logichess.pdf
The Most Instructive Games of Chess Ever Played by Irving Chernev (1965)
https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/most-instructive-games-of-chess-ever-played/
Winning Chess by Irving Chernev and Fred Reinfeld (1949)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708093415/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review919.pdf
Back to Basics: Tactics by Dan Heisman (2007)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708233537/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review585.pdf
Discovering Chess Openings by GM John Emms (2006)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627114655/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen91.pdf
Openings for Amateurs by Pete Tamburro (2014)
http://kenilworthian.blogspot.com/2014/05/review-of-pete-tamburros-openings-for.html
https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/openings-for-amateurs/
https://www.mongoosepress.com/excerpts/OpeningsForAmateurs%20sample.pdf

Chess Endgames for Kids by Karsten Müller (2015)

https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/chess-endgames-for-kids/
http://www.gambitbooks.com/pdfs/Chess_Endgames_for_Kids.pdf
A Guide to Chess Improvement by Dan Heisman (2010)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708105628/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review781.pdf

Seirawan stuff

http://seagaard.dk/review/eng/bo_beginner/ev_winning_chess.asp?KATID=BO&ID=BO-Beginner
https://www.chess.com/article/view/book-review-winning-chess-endings
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627132508/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen173.pdf
http://www.nystar.com/tamarkin/review1.htm

Amplebeee
milk the clock , everybody plays standard like its blitz , take ur time and look for problems that give the opponent trouble , take the time to observe their resources . just cause you know an opening dosent mean play blitz style .standard means take ur time.