what are we?

btickler wrote:

tomtrytostay wrote:

ProfessorProfesesen wrote:

SilentKnighte5 wrote:

Here's not here.

clear

Can you clarify in more detail? I think often we think we have all the answers but when we try to explain what we see we realise we don't

Walking Dead references...

Right thank you

I look at the threads and I think there's games and there's arguments. A little about human nature, a little about the state of the world. Nobody though is taking about the nature of reality, what makes us us. It frustrates me because it's the one thing that is a timeless issue and something all of us can directly observe every moments of our lives

I do not like the idea about evetything being one.

We are individuals. Every single being is an individual. However, we are individuals who are part of ONE single energy: the vital energy of the Universe.

My point is the universe has different kinds of subenergies, but all of them belongs to the main energy.

That is why I said we are the part of universe that thinks, Then we are the universe trying to understand itself.

I recall hearing people talk about I think therefore I am. I see that I observe light. Is that's what meant by thinking? Or is it that I then can wonder about what light is?

Do not pay too much attention in the light. Light is only ONE of the subenergies of the universe.

Our thoughts can travel faster than the light. Then, our thoughts are energies superior than the light.

MarcoBR444 wrote:

tomtrytostay wrote:

MarcoBR444 wrote:

tomtrytostay wrote:

We have thoughts and feelings. We observe these thoughts and feelings. So are we the thoughts and feelings or are we the observer? 

If all we truly are is the consciouness, the observer, then isn't it likely that cosciouness is generic and we are all part of the same thing really? 

Also where does love fit within all this? Do we know what we are. Who we are? Does anyone? 

Then there is choice. Does it really exist? I mean if we can choose then perhaps we have a value. But do we in reality choose? Isn't it true that we do what we want and we don't choose what we want? 

We are energy. A thinking energy, who is able to know itself.

We are the universe trying to understand itself.

I like this idea about everything being one. That rings true to me. Isn't it more logical that in reality everything is part of the same thing?

When we say we are energy, a thinking energy, what does that mean? Are you saying we are pure consciousness? Do you believe thoughts and feelings are part of having a physical body? How are you constructing this view?

I do not like the idea about evetything being one.

We are individuals. Every single being is an individual. However, we are individuals who are part of ONE single energy: the vital energy of the Universe.

My point is the universe has different kinds of subenergies, but all of them belongs to the main energy.

That is why I said we are the part of universe that thinks then we are the universe trying to understand itself.

Okay so when you say we are an energy what does that mean exactly? The first question is do you mean in terms of physical life? Or do you believe that energy can exist without our physical body?

I believe you are a mixture of nature and nurture. Some of your personality traits are inherited, but nurture enables others to develop, or in some cases be stifled. After nature and nurture are established, the rest is thoughts and experiences exclusive to you and they shape who you are.

MarcoBR444 wrote:

tomtrytostay wrote:

I recall hearing people talk about I think therefore I am. I see that I observe light. Is that's what meant by thinking? Or is it that I then can wonder about what light is?

Do not pay too much attention in the light. Light is only ONE of the subenergies of the universe.

Our thoughts can travel fasten than the light. Then, our thoughts are energies superior than the light.

I love that! Thoughts can travel faster than light! Is that true?! I know space expanded faster than the speed of light. Can a computer or a person think faster?!

Yes, we DO exist beyond physical life.

This life is only ONE step of our existence. 

In fact, every single being in this planet is energy who is only taking a step here.

After death, the existence continues, in other way too hard to explain.

Do not compare our thoughts to the computers.

Computers are related to the physical existence, to this planet.

Our thoughts, our should I say, WE, exists in other dimension.

WE use this body to make a step here in this planet. WHY ? It is hard to explain but the fact is that we are here.

fathamster wrote:

I believe you are a mixture of nature and nurture. Some of your personality traits are inherited, but nurture enables others to develop, or in some cases be stifled. After nature and nurture are established, the rest is thoughts and experiences exclusive to you and they shape who you are.

Right. That's a really great definition of how we become us. Nature and nurture. Where does that leave freewill though? Also when we say our thoughts and feelings are us do we control those thoughts and feelings? I suppose we can calm ourselves, excite ourselves, can we choose though to want something we don't?

There is no difference between nature and nurture.

We weren't created by anyone. We just exist, since the beginning, which is almost impossible (till now) to determine.

We, and everything in the universe, keep developing. In the end, we are energy which can exist in a lot of kind of ways.

MarcoBR444 wrote:

tomtrytostay wrote:

Okay so when you say we are an energy what does that mean exactly? The first question is do you mean in terms of physical life? Or do you believe that energy can exist without our physical body?

Yes, we DO exist beyond physical life.

This life is only ONE step of our existence. 

In fact, every single being in this planet is energy who is only taking a step here.

After death, the existence continues, in other way too hard to explain.

Thank you my friend. I will respond soon.

We, as energy, really exist beyond this life (the physical body).

As I said, the body is only a temporary way of existence. Just only a small part of the time of our existence.

In fact, WE, as energy, exist for more than 1000 years (or much more).

We have thoughts and feelings. We observe these thoughts and feelings. So are we the thoughts and feelings or are we the observer?

In order for the mind to be cognizant of a "feeling" or "thought" it has to first provide for itself some frame of reference by which that feeling or thought can be made distinct. it creates this reference frame by antithesis. the obvervance of a thing; our consciousness of it. is really an alternating between these reference frames. lol

When I said we are "thoughts", I meant we are our CONSCIOUSNESS.

It was a blunder due the language (Portuguese is my native language).

I was going to say we and the universe are all energy and connected...but someone beat me to it...the following quote is something I noticed in someone's profile:

"I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in evolution.  We became too self-aware.  Nature created an aspect of Nature seperate from itself.  We are creatures that should not exist by Natural Law.  We are "Things" that labor under the illusion of having a "Self", this accretion of sensory experience and feeling, programmed with total assurance that we are each Somebody, when in fact, everybody is nobody.  I think the honorable thing for our species to do is to deny our programming.  Stop reproducing, and walk hand in hand into extinction.  One last midnight.  Brothers and Sisters, opting out of a raw deal."  - Rust Cohle

i was actually talking to the op

Chicken_Monster wrote:

I was going to say we and the universe are all energy and connected...but someone beat me to it...the following quote is something I noticed in someone's profile:

"I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in evolution.  We became too self-aware.  Nature created an aspect of Nature seperate from itself.  We are creatures that should not exist by Natural Law.  We are "Things" that labor under the illusion of having a "Self", this accretion of sensory experience and feeling, programmed with total assurance that we are each Somebody, when in fact, everybody is nobody.  I think the honorable thing for our species to do is to deny our programming.  Stop reproducing, and walk hand in hand into extinction.  One last midnight.  Brothers and Sisters, opting out of a raw deal."  - Rust Cohle

Fabulous!

This guy, Rust Cohle, is totally wrong. 

I think he is sick because he said such statement.

He is judging the mankind in a incorrect point of view.

HE is just upset about something; he is tired or in despair. Then, he is not able to understand the complex theme which is the existence.