What color hijab did Alexandra Kosteniuk wear today?

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thegreat_patzer

@urk

not at all.

I'm Bemused by both the topic and what has been said.  I sense an echo from last year- where a certain Nazi claimed it was too demeaning to play with these restrictions.

 

but heck.  we repeat threads endlessly.  

 

Womens chess is just one of a pretty big list of repeat discussion, and the hijab thing has probably only been argued out in 5-6 forum/news comment posts EVER

urk
Thanks for your contribution.
thegreat_patzer

regarding your posts, (urK)

what is it exactly that you demand we do specifically?  look at it this way.  if Iran's "government" winning global approval is Checkmate... what is your strategy?

 

what peice or tactic are you going to play against it?

 

just calling it out on chess.com isn't even taking a pawn.  but possibly taking a prestigious tournament from the coutry might matter.    but now go back to the thought that FIDE has already approved the tourney.  do you really see any tactic?

 

I don't.

 

I know your a strong player, but can you really arbitrarily 'snap' your fingers at any given move and take a peice?  I dont' think chess works that way.

and I'm sure FIDE doesn't either....

 

so in the end its just amusing and comic to pic some big headed cavemen ranting against the whole nation of Iran.  that is.  unless, chess.com mods decide it is too political and they start cutting up posts.

 

I've seen that recently, as well....

Firstplay
kingofshedinjas wrote:
Firstplay wrote:

If a female wishes to set foot in a catholic cathedral in Spain then being covered is demanded by the bouncer on the door

That is completely false.

Completely false?  Really?

http://www.steresita.com/index.php/parroquia/preguntas-y-respuestas/11-cual-es-el-modo-mas-apropiado-para-vestir-en-el-templo

'Cada vez se va haciendo más frecuente que el sacerdote tenga un grupo de seglares preparados con chal o echarpe para cubrir los hombros de las señoras que van a asistir a una boda o bautizo. A estar [sic] señoras se les ha olvidado que van a la Iglesia a asistir a una ceremonia religiosa y no a un desfile de modas.

urk
Since you ask, I'll make some suggestions.

Several of the top women players, including the reigning US women's champion are putting their careers on hold by boycotting. That's a good step.

FIDE has been flooded with letters of complaint. Also a good step.

A FIDE congress should convene and FIRE Kirsan Ilyumzhinov.

Steps should be taken to ensure this never happens again.

And finally, people need to reexamine their pusillanimous reflex to accept fascism, even as it extends its dark tentacles into the world of chess.
thegreat_patzer

step 1

Accomplished!  He!! YEAH!  though, chess.com forum didn't have nothing to do with it

step 2

FIDE just told me they don't care a **(**(*U, pretty sure its a colorful russian expression.   Failed miserably

step 3

yeah.  Kaspy tried. it went poorly,too.   would the chess.com forum help ?  Kaspy sends his regards and told me to keep him out of it.  being the subject of a long chess.com forum post is even WORSE mockery than what he normally gets.

 

SO thats 3 steps. I'll give you that. but I think that chess.com hysteria at the forums is ... Rose colored glasses.

 

you will complain, rant and rave and no one will care.


IMHO this is partially why chess.com doesn't like us talking politics, its useless and innately conflicting- where its all but inevitable someone here has opinions, I hate and consider totally unacceptable and vice versa.  nothing is solved and people only hate each other more...

 

ArgoNavis
Firstplay wrote:
kingofshedinjas wrote:
Firstplay wrote:

If a female wishes to set foot in a catholic cathedral in Spain then being covered is demanded by the bouncer on the door

That is completely false.

Completely false?  Really?

http://www.steresita.com/index.php/parroquia/preguntas-y-respuestas/11-cual-es-el-modo-mas-apropiado-para-vestir-en-el-templo

'Cada vez se va haciendo más frecuente que el sacerdote tenga un grupo de seglares preparados con chal o echarpe para cubrir los hombros de las señoras que van a asistir a una boda o bautizo. A estar [sic] señoras se les ha olvidado que van a la Iglesia a asistir a una ceremonia religiosa y no a un desfile de modas.

That doesn't  prove your point...

Firstplay

Without wanting to turn this into a religious discussion (though it already is judging by the OP) I'd say that all religions are prohibitive and repressive, as I've pointed out to kingofshedinjas in Spanish.  It's the way of the world.

  If I want to see a beautiful building that used to be a Mosque then I have to dress as they wish. I don't like it, think that it's ridiculous to be honest, but abide by their rules if I want to see the building.  If I visit a church over here I'm expected to remove my hat.  Dunno why, some of these places are freezing.  Tradition says that I should take my hat off, even if the place is empty.

To just pick on one religion seems to be Islamophobic as I don't see complaints about other religions traditions.  I know the OP was referring to chess, but quickly developed into wider issues.  The point has already been made by 2Q1C that to pick on Iran for human rights abusers seems to not take into consideration that the West has been murdering people by the million in that region for the last two decades. 

As far as I know Iran hasn't attacked anyone but is now the target of Western propoganda. This is possibly to swing public opinion as to why 'we' should attack yet another country in that region.  Strangly the UAE doesn't even get a mention by urk and they execute people all the time, some are just children, murdered for throwing stones. And their Govt still heavily supported by the West. Over to you urk.

thegreat_patzer

 just to illustrate the point.

our representatives have just gone to Tehran, told them their government was unacceptable to the worldwide chessplaying community; and demanded that chess tournaments allow women and men to wear whatever culturally respectful clothes they represent.

 

( I think the tongan ladies were going in grass skirts)...

 

I think the reaction was a little unfriendly at first. but truth is On our side! 

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urk
Firstplay, why would I mention the UAE, or Saudi Arabia, or Somalia? FIDE hasn't dropped the world chess championship into those fine countries. Yet.

I don't like US foreign policy in the Middle East either, from Bush to Obama. It's been crazy. But this topic isn't about foreign policy and the fight against Al Qaeda and ISIS - it's to remind that top chessplayers are being given two choices by FIDE: Either don't play chess
or submit to wearing a hijab upon pain of imprisonment.
Ghostliner
urk wrote:
38 years now of tyranny, oppression, and shocking human rights violations since the establishment of the Islamic Republic in Iran.
Tens of thousands of Iranian women have been murdered by that fascist state!

And you're going to just blithely talk about "customs to be respected"?

C'mon, let's try at least to be vaguely grown-up. Iran is not a fascist state - it isn't perfect by any means but at least it isn't trying to force it's social, economic and political order on much of the rest of the world... unlike a certain other country that I might mention?

TRextastic
thegreat_patzer wrote:

demanded that chess tournaments allow women and men to wear whatever culturally respectful clothes they represent. 

So if I live in a nudist colony?

Ghostliner

The Mens' World Chess Championship was recently hosted in New York, I can't say I noticed you jumping up and down about US militarism.

Ghostliner
2Q1C wrote:

To be fair Britain is complicit in Americas war crimes.

You can say, "not in my name" all you want. But it is in your name, and with your taxes.

Not if you get off your arse and help build an anti-war movement it isn't.

universityofpawns

I'm waiting for the match in the Himalayas, I think the Buddhist red robes look cool, but they would never force anybody to do anything.

thegreat_patzer
TRextastic wrote:
thegreat_patzer wrote:

demanded that chess tournaments allow women and men to wear whatever culturally respectful clothes they represent. 

So if I live in a nudist colony?

 

sure!

but lets not get sidetracked.  the important thing to remember is that all governments everywhere must recognize the rights of the minority.  tyranny cannot prevail.... and we the United Policemen of Earth; will proudly defend freedom and liberty from sea to shining sea!

 

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Firstplay

'The West'; I'm not blaming just the US.  The discussion developed beyond chess urk. Accusations of Iranian policy on human rights changed it.  There's many aspects of religion that I really don't like, we have to pander to it everywhere I think; it's forced on us from the first day of school.

ArgoNavis

For further derailment, let's discuss why taxes are theft.

urk
New York doesn't require a religious dress code. What a stupid argument.
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