What do you feel about players that do perpetual checks when they are losing?
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Migilla wrote:
Wow you really love that game man, cool..
I love many games. I just happen to show that one becuase it was a draw game when this forum talks about draws.
Here is another one.
This game is known as:
The Modern Immortal Draw!
A forced draw here :-) And there's nothing pathetic about the perpetual check. If black tries something else, it's Qh7# (mate in 1) Sharp game!
Apr 25, 2015
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X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:
The OP of this forum believes a draw is Cheap and Pathetic. I do not agree and I will never agree. Especially when I am captivated by such a legendary draw. That game was purely an art form. Black put his opponent into a position that threatened multiple checkmating threat's with 1 slip up. An the white sided player through all the danger and all of the threats found a way to avoid being checkmated. Into an ending position that resulted in a draw.
This game is a testament to the sheer power of attack and defense
Which demonstrates the excellence of the black players attacking ability and his intense calcuation's.
It also demonstrates the brillancy of the white player defensive resourcefulness to safely find his way out of the obstacles.
Their are alot of ways to lose this position but very few ways to draw it and almost none to win.
When the clash of the attacking and defensive titan collided. It resulted in an epic struggle that ended in a draw.
These 2 individuals tryed their hardest to win. They tryed their hardest to prevent their opponents threat. They tryed their hardest to unleash new threats. They tryed their hardest to give material back to survive.
They played with Heart and Passion. In doing so it made their game a Treasure that is neither cheap nor pathetic. For when you play with heart it is a rarity that should be honored. The result was they were honored. Their game could have been discarded to the winds many years ago. 143 years has passed since this game was played and yet generation upon generations of chess players still marvel at its excellence. It has been remembered through the ages as:
The Immortal Draw!
I agree, but not fully.... Where did the spelling and grammar go? That's why there is no full agreement.
Here is a game that has actually a very mysterious historical back story to it. In fact their is alot of heated debate about this game.
It is known as: The Immortal Queen Offers
Yet the funny thing is many believe the Mysterious Queen Offers were not part of the real game. Many including the player playing the black piece's believe it was found many years after the game had been played.
Bascially The below position is said to be what was actually played in the game. Than years later other Grand Masters found a resource for white to in fact win this game lol. With the most brillant continuation. Which leaves many un-answered questions was the brillancy move found years later or was it found during the actual game. No one really knows lol which is why their is alot of controversy over this game.
So the above position is what some believe to be the real game.
They believe white resigned in this position shown above. When you look at the position you can see that the bishop on f6 is hitting the white queen and the b2 pawn. Also if the queen move's back to lets say d2. Black might offer the trade of rooks and try to target the b2 pawn which may result in the loss of material for white. So that might be 1 of the reasons of why white could have resign. Again no one really knows if white resigned or not that is the real issue. However, if he did resign you can't blame him to much. He has some issues here. Now in the below diagram I am going to show you the coninuation that has set this game up to be an Immortal.
So the question is did that actually happen in the game or not. No one knows which is why this game has a very Mysterious history CHA CHA CHA HA HA HA
It is known as:
The Immortal Queen Offers
Apr 26, 2015
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#508
People who play perpetual check when they are losing avoid losing. Sounds like a smart thing to do. It's in the game!
MaryandJuana wrote:
What do you feel about players that do perpetual checks when they are losing?
You have stated a contradiction, and then have asked how people feel about the contradiction. If your opponent has perpetual check, how is he or she "losing?" They could be down all kinds of material and facing a mate-in-one, but the position is drawn.
Milliern wrote:
MaryandJuana wrote:
What do you feel about players that do perpetual checks when they are losing?
You have stated a contradiction, and then have asked how people feel about the contradiction.
That is the way to enlightment.
May 4, 2015
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#512
That's of topic chessattackman. Post a forum topic with your question instead.
I WOULD FEEL SAD
eciruam wrote:
wsgrass wrote:
In respone to the original posted question: the person who performs a perpetual check is taking advantage of carelessness on the part of their opponent, who had an advantageous game, but let their guard down. I have been on both sides of this situation. When I performed the perpetual check from an inferior position, I felt that I had taken advantage of the complacency of my opponent. When an opponent over whom I had a winning position made a perpetual check against me, I realized I had been the complacent one. Perpetual check is only one of the many pitfalls to be avoided when endeavoring to win a "won" game.
Excellent summary.
Not quite excellent... Poor summary, in fact. If you were able to perpetually check then the game was even or perhaps even in your favor.
Optimissed wrote:
<<What do you feel about players that do perpetual checks when they are losing?>>>
I feel that they aren't actually losing.
Excellent analysis!!!
DonJose22 wrote:
eciruam wrote:
wsgrass wrote:
In respone to the original posted question: the person who performs a perpetual check is taking advantage of carelessness on the part of their opponent, who had an advantageous game, but let their guard down. I have been on both sides of this situation. When I performed the perpetual check from an inferior position, I felt that I had taken advantage of the complacency of my opponent. When an opponent over whom I had a winning position made a perpetual check against me, I realized I had been the complacent one. Perpetual check is only one of the many pitfalls to be avoided when endeavoring to win a "won" game.
Excellent summary.
Not quite excellent... Poor summary, in fact. If you were able to perpetually check then the game was even or perhaps even in your favor.
Certainly not in your favour, and probably not even - if you have the chance of winning and blow it by perpetual check then that's a waste of a better position. You'll usually only PC when you're faced with otherwise losing, possibly even having a mate in one against you if you stop checking.
If you're able to put your opponent in perpetual check you may not be winning, but you most certainly are not in a losing position.
The Thread is stupid lol.
Some people do sacrifical attacks based on the calucations that even if their attack fails they still can force a perpetual.
You are a chess player and you are suppose to keep your king safe from everything your opponent can dish at him.
If you fail to see a perpetual than you have failed in your job of following the number 1 rule in chess.
- Safety
An that can be King Safety or Piece Safety.
You can be up 5 pieces. Your opponent could have sneaked his queen into doing repeat checks.
An I don't care what your excuses are they never will be sufficient.
Why didn't you use the "5 pieces you was up to stop him from checking you".
Why did you allow him to "sneak his queen into checking you".
If you did not stop this or prevent this than you made a mistake. An your opponent did what he is suppose to do. He took advantage of your mistake.
What do you feel about players that do perpetual checks when they are losing?
I feel if they had perpetual checks they were not losing and they took advantage of your terrible chess play. An you should learn to play better chess.
The OP of this forum believes a draw is Cheap and Pathetic. I do not agree and I will never agree. Especially when I am captivated by such a legendary draw. That game was purely an art form. Black put his opponent into a position that threatened multiple checkmating threat's with 1 slip up. An the white sided player through all the danger and all of the threats found a way to avoid being checkmated. Into an ending position that resulted in a draw.
This game is a testament to the sheer power of attack and defense
Which demonstrates the excellence of the black players attacking ability and his intense calcuation's.
It also demonstrates the brillancy of the white player defensive resourcefulness to safely find his way out of the obstacles.
Their are alot of ways to lose this position but very few ways to draw it and almost none to win.
When the clash of the attacking and defensive titan collided. It resulted in an epic struggle that ended in a draw.
These 2 individuals tryed their hardest to win. They tryed their hardest to prevent their opponents threat. They tryed their hardest to unleash new threats. They tryed their hardest to give material back to survive.
They played with Heart and Passion. In doing so it made their game a Treasure that is neither cheap nor pathetic. For when you play with heart it is a rarity that should be honored. The result was they were honored. Their game could have been discarded to the winds many years ago. 143 years has passed since this game was played and yet generation upon generations of chess players still marvel at its excellence. It has been remembered through the ages as:
The Immortal Draw!