You can judge a persons iq by their childhood for instance, i have no skills, im a perceived glue sniffer. A gm has mastered hundreds of variations by the time they are 15...The mind is way to complex to give iq tests especially in our weirdo society
What do you think GM Hikaru IQ is?
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llama47 wrote:
Something near 100 (a safe bet since most people are )
Also, to be honest, he's never said anything that seemed intelligent... for example someone like Grischuk I'd guess higher, because I've heard him say interesting things... not things I necessarily agree or disagree with, but things that show he's thinking.
I don't think Hikaru is dumb, he just seems normal.
Most people who can be chess GMs are going to be able to score a higher IQ than 102 if they apply themselves and try to score well in it. Any test on anything isn't a proper test if the person doesn't try.
And tbh Llamatic, I'm sure you were calling me dumb 4 days ago!
Nov 6, 2022
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#45
He doesnt need to prove anything on an iq test because hes proven it in chess, so there is no motivation, its not important to his character
Nov 6, 2022
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#47
There is a "im a common man" undertone to the chess society, thats important to them. Im not saying theyre lying im just saying there is no incentive
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#48
I know all of the flags and presidents, elements. In our whacko society thats considered smart. Smart is running tesla, elon musk comes off kind of strange because he is balancing a work ethic with intellect, is not easy, that in it of itself is a skill, and thats why people treat this elon guy like a god. I cant even get a minimum wage, im borderline lol.
Nov 6, 2022
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#49
I know all of the capitals, but who cares because i still cant pass a physics class.
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TheNameofNames wrote:
I know all of the capitals, but who cares because i still cant pass a physics class.
That's ok. You made multiple posts just now on the matter. That's got to count for something.
I think you're probaby right.
Nov 6, 2022
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idilis wrote:
TheNameofNames wrote:
I know all of the capitals, but who cares because i still cant pass a physics class.
That's ok. You made multiple posts just now on the matter. That's got to count for something.
I am right, now its time to end the discussion
Nov 6, 2022
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TheNameofNames wrote:
idilis wrote:
TheNameofNames wrote:
I know all of the capitals, but who cares because i still cant pass a physics class.
That's ok. You made multiple posts just now on the matter. That's got to count for something.
I am right, now its time to end the discussion
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Nov 6, 2022
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Optimissed wrote:
Most people who can be chess GMs are going to be able to score a higher IQ than 102
Ok, but apparently not all of them will score higher than 102... and one of those "low" scorers is Naka 
Bruh I took an online iq test and got 140 something, ain’t no way my iq is higher then Hikaru’s. Online ones seem and probably are bogus.
Nov 6, 2022
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#57
BTW I'm pleased I guessed about 100, and then it turns out he scored about 100... lol.
But seriously, you can tell by the way he talks... and I don't mean words, I mean the ideas.
... and I don't even think he would be insulted for me to say this... I certainly don't mean it as an insult, and I don't think I'm a genius... that's just the way it is... most people are close to average and there's obviously nothing wrong with that... average general intelligence is even enough to be a GM.
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ren97ren wrote:
Bruh I took an online iq test and got 140 something, ain’t no way my iq is higher then Hikaru’s. Online ones seem and probably are bogus.
the whole thing is bs, you cant reduce a persons abilities to a test especially not some online test even if it is given by MENSA
Nov 6, 2022
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#59
There is NO proof that IQ and chess abilities are at all related. Everyone here who says "his IQ must be higher than that" or "you have to have a high IQ to become a GM" is simply basing their opinion on an unproven assumption.
Just look at the real world all around you. There are certainly many successful people in many fields of endeavor who display no signs of high IQ. You would think someone would need a high IQ to reach the upper levels of government--assessing voters' desires, coming up with winning policies, persuading other politicians to follow their lead--but I'll warrant that everyone here can point out people at the highest levels of their country's ruling class that are clearly well shy of genius IQ.
Nov 6, 2022
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TheNameofNames wrote:
ren97ren wrote:
Bruh I took an online iq test and got 140 something, ain’t no way my iq is higher then Hikaru’s. Online ones seem and probably are bogus.
the whole thing is bs, you cant reduce a persons abilities to a test especially not some online test even if it is given by MENSA
Online tests are not actually IQ tests, but you can grade a person's ability to solve problems with a test, it's pretty easy. You give lots of people the same test, and you do statistics to find out which questions correlate best with the overall score and which correlate worst. You remove the bad ones and keep the good ones, add some more questions, and give it again with a new group.
Over and over you refine it, until you only have questions that correlate highly with a person's general ability to solve problems... then you give that test to tons more people to standardize the score.
An IQ test isn't just, hey, you scored 20 out of 30 so that's 66%, that's not how it works at all. It's more like you scored 20 out of 30, which is as good as or better than 50% of the people who took it, so your IQ is 100.
There's a famous saying, "If you're so smart, why aren't you a billionaire?" The answer is simple, that some measures of intelligence are not highly correlated to achievement. Marilyn vos Savant is reported to have an estimated IQ of 228. Other than being an advice columnist, she never became a GM, Nobel Prize winner, Pulitzer winner, or proved a famous theorem or law.
Since this forum deals with chess, and how to improve in the game, I'd rather have some of the traits of Hikaru Nakamura than a high IQ score. In an interview, Hikaru attributes his chess talent to intuition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K8kOKA7PE0
He knows a lot about the history of chess, and discusses the strengths of Magnus Carlsen, Gary Kasparov, and Bobby Fischer. Being (or not being) a member of Mensa has very little to do with chess genius. Pattern recognition, calculation, and psychology are far more important than a misleading IQ score.