What do you think GM Hikaru IQ is?

Simple. He wasn't trying that hard on it. And Maxime Lagrave-Vachier, someone who is currently ranked lower than Hikaru, got a 175 IQ on another online IQ test when he was 16 years old. We can safely assume Hikaru's IQ is at least 160.

Ok. He wasn't trying hard on it. There's no proof of that either, but let's go with that.

You didn't explain why you need a high IQ to be good at chess. Could you explain that?

You can easily watch the video of him taking the IQ test. He didn't take it seriously. There's no proof that he has 102 IQ. There is no way a super-grandmaster can have a 102 IQ. It's simply not possible.

To excel at this game, one must possess a certain level of cognitive ability, which is commonly referred to as Intelligence Quotient or IQ. This is because chess demands the player to engage in advanced problem-solving, critical thinking, and spatial reasoning, which are all cognitive abilities that are strongly correlated with IQ. Furthermore, chess players must be able to anticipate and respond to their opponents' moves, requiring the ability to plan ahead and visualize various possible outcomes. These mental processes are highly demanding and require a certain degree of intellectual aptitude and analytical ability, which are traits that are closely associated with high IQ scores.

I would say 120 tbh

There’s actually been research. No, they didn’t find what you are asserting to be true.

The relationship between chess skill and IQ exists, but the correlation is not strong. Surprisingly, the spatial reasoning correlation is weak to non-existent.

A group of prodigies were studies, too. The highest IQ was 147. The lowest about 112.

Based on the limited available research, It would be fair to assume that someone with exceptional ability in chess has a strong memory and is above average in intelligence.

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You don't know what you're talking about.

The two biggest misconceptions among non players:

1) Chess skill is proportional to intelligence
2) Chess skill is proportional to calculation

As @Ziryab mentioned there have been studies that show these are misconceptions... although experienced players already knew.

Again, this shows you have no idea what you're talking about... and the test you linked even said it wasn't an IQ test...

... and after glancing at that test (solving the first question) I can tell it's not a very well made test. I'm guessing a young person made it without understanding the concept behind what makes a test good... in fact I'd say their approach was completely incorrect, which is why I didn't even look at question #2.

Also, normal IQ tests don't score above 160, and online IQ tests are not real... saying someone got 175 on an online IQ test is really funny.

The way you describe chess is exactly like someone who knows nothing about the game other than what they've seen in movies

As far as cognitive abilities I will say that I think working memory is fairly important to playing well, and since I'm quite average in that department I think that probably holds me back a bit. I also suspect this is an important factor in explaining why chess performance declines with age.

I easily found a research paper here that contradicts what you said. Of course, calculation and IQ are proportional to chess skill... What is your logic here? https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/09/160913124722.htm#:~:text=Summary%3A,indicates%20a%20comprehensive%20new%20study.https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/09/160913124722.htm#:~:text=Summary%3A,indicates%20a%20comprehensive%20new%20study.

Why isn't it well made? The first question is supposed to be easy. Did it really take you a lot of time to solve? LOL. Maxime Vachier-Lagrave DID score a 175 IQ on an online IQ when he was 16 years old. He's very intelligent. and Hikaru is around the same level as he is at. 

Say something that opposes my argument. I'm waiting. You've shown nothing. 

Literally so pathetic. Low-rated players think they have any hope to become a GM just because they think a super-grandmaster has 102 IQ. So foolish. 

Your link is to a new article about the research. Here's a link to the article. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289616301593?via%3Dihub

You need institutional access to access the whole. I have such access. Go back in this thread several pages and you'll see that I shared the article several weeks ago.

Here's the abstract:
Why are some people more skilled in complex domains than other people? Here, we conducted a meta-analysis to evaluate the relationship between cognitive ability and skill in chess. Chess skill correlated positively and significantly with fluid reasoning (Gf) (r = 0.24), comprehension-knowledge (Gc) (r = 0.22), short-term memory (Gsm) (r = 0.25), and processing speed (Gs) (r = 0.24); the meta-analytic average of the correlations was (r = 0.24). Moreover, the correlation between Gf and chess skill was moderated by age (r= 0.32 for youth samples vs.
r = 0.11 for adult samples), and skill level (r = 0.32 for unranked samples vs. r = 0.14 for ranked samples). Interestingly, chess skill correlated more strongly with numerical ability (r = 0.35) than with verbal ability (r = 0.19) or visuospatial ability (r = 0.13). The results suggest that cognitive ability contributes meaningfully to individual differences in chess skill, particularly in young chess players and/or at lower levels of skill.


Nothing in this research contributes meaningfully to a discussion of the IQ of GMs.

Keep falsely thinking that Hikaru's IQ is 102. 

Probably high

We don't know his IQ. He has not taken a test under appropriate conditions.

Very few GMs have taken an IQ test so far as has been publicly revealed. That's why there is no data for evaluating the grandiose claims of those who link chess skill to notions of genius. There is good reason to believe that most GMs are above average intelligence.

lol, it has nothing to do with how easy it is.

The first question is a math pattern... recognizing it has nothing to do with intelligence or logic. It's like asking someone if they know how to spell "house" and then calling that intelligence.

By the way, MVL has a degree in math, so it'd make sense if he did well on a test that is poorly made in this way.

Nope, I don't think I can improve much anymore, I've been playing too long / I'm too old.

Kasparov took a real IQ test, and scored 135.

Little kids talk about pretend IQ tests, and rate all world champions (like Kasparov) near 200. These kids know nothing about chess or IQ.

You're right.

It's probably lower 😘