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applebananamango
IpswichMatt wrote:
applebananamango wrote:

 

Back to Basics: Tactics by Dan Heisman (2007)

I'd start with that book for tactics rather than on-line tactics trainers or the Polgar book. Keep going through it until you can solve all of the problems more or less instantly.

Started with it and about a sixth of the way through. Nothing very interesting so far. But I do like that there is quite a bit of text rather than just diagrams as is the case with the Polgar book

applebananamango

@donostrilssmell I am still not sure I get you. As a beginner I might be wasting a lot of time calculating pointless lines but I guess it is something I have to do to get better and not do it as I improve. 

If you mean what @stiggling said, then it makes sense. Trying to brute force through all positions is not possible. What I have been doing so far is looking out for certain things that might indicate the presence of a tactic, such as an open king or overworked pieces, pins, and critical squares. In such cases I spend quite a bit of time calculating as much as possible. Otherwise I just play the move that looks logical and is not terrible strategically (like blocking an undeveloped piece)

stiggling
ghost_of_pushwood wrote:
applebananamango wrote:
ghost_of_pushwood wrote:

Not sure why people feel the need to post these sorts of things.  Are we witnesses?  Are you getting course credit somewhere for all this?

Not sure why you felt the need to post that useless comment. Shut up and move on if you have nothing useful to add

Then there's the question of why they bristle whenever I bring this up.

Maybe it's just a confidence issue?

In any case, glad I'm not the only one capable of being a little harsh around here.

stiggling

I've been getting a little flack for it lately... not wholly undeserved.

stiggling

Oh, crap, I misread it.

Well, I'm drunk so I'm in a mood.

stiggling

Currently busy being a jerk in Elroch's topic

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/off-topic/the-science-of-evolution-no-politics-or-religion?page=1428

stiggling

He blocked me for a bit too.

He's a bit of an oddball, but I think one of the few reasonable people around here, when it comes down to it.

stiggling

Haha, yeah.

I asked Ziryab for a match recently and was ignored. That's fine. So many jerks around here, and this account looks really new. I might have ignored me too.

Elroch tends to stick to his evolution topic now, posting news clippings every once in a while. I don't see him talk so much.

applebananamango

@ghost_of_pushwood @stiggling get the hell of this thread and use DM. Don't spam here. 

@thetaleofwob thanks for the advice

Ziryab
stiggling wrote:

Haha, yeah.

I asked Ziryab for a match recently and was ignored. That's fine. So many jerks around here, and this account looks really new. I might have ignored me too.

Elroch tends to stick to his evolution topic now, posting news clippings every once in a while. I don't see him talk so much.

 

I have my settings so that I don't see such things. It wasn't personal.

I'm pompous, you know. (And pithy, like the heart of fruit).

stiggling
applebananamango wrote:

@ghost_of_pushwood @stiggling get the hell of this thread and use DM. Don't spam here. 

@thetaleofwob thanks for the advice

This usually happens on the forums. After a topic is answered people use it to chat about whatever. Nothing personal.

IMO the 3 basic activities are drills, study, and playing. Drills like solving tactic or endgame puzzles or going over memorized openings. Study like books or analyzing, and playing is best at long time controls against players rated 100-200 points higher than you.

For study IMO the 5 basic areas are openings, tactics, strategy, endgame, and annotated game collection. My advice is to pick a primary area of focus for at least 1 month, and that will be the bulk of your study time. Personally I tried to pick 1 classic book for each (except openings). For example Zurich 1953 for annotated games, Pacman's Modern Chess Strategy for strategy, Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual for endgames.

To "study" tactics my experience has been with books, which IMO have higher quality puzzles, but I suppose you could do it online. The most important thing is saving puzzles you get wrong (in a book I just make a little mark that means failed). Wait at least 3 days before trying the failed puzzle again. It stays in the "fail pile" until you get it correct at least once.

The second most important thing is every time you fail a puzzle you have to understand why your intended solution fails. Sometimes this is hard and you'll have to use an engine. After my calculation is over I like to write down my solution to make sure I can't avoid facing a wrong move.

The least important thing to focus a lot of effort on is openings, but they're still a little important. My advice is to play 1.e4 or 1.d4 and as black answer 1.e4 with ...e5 and 1.d4 with ...d5 (1.c4 with ...e5 and hypermodern stuff with a reversed london). Then after each game compare the opening moves to a database. Do this after every game and you'll eventually memorize the first 5 or so moves to the most common responses. That's plenty in the beginning. Other than that this guy has some nice intro videos to openings https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCa2Ezoefyh5Gm9gXwg0kCdA

 

Ideally you can use google to find local clubs in your area and play some long games there. If that's not possible for one reason or another, consider a group like this
https://www.chess.com/club/slow-chess-league

And you can even play long games now and then vs an engine if you really have nothing else.

Try to avoid passive learning like videos. If you find an instructive video, they can be good, but set up a board, get out a notebook, and pause often to take notes and do some analysis yourself. There are many good lectures at the STL chess club on youtube. I like Akobian, but there are many others.

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In the end though, and this is from someone who likes to organize plans, all this stuff is not as useful as it seems. The most important thing is that you enjoy it enough to actually do it day after day. I tend to do a little bit of study every day, not because I planned on it, but because I'll suddenly think of a game or opening I want to look at, or I'll see something on the forums. So I understand why you'd have a personal attachment to this topic, but at the same time I tend to feel like one of GoP's first posts here, that it's not so important... not so important, but hopefully from the length or detail of this post you'll believe me when I say I'm hoping you have lots of success in chess happy.png 

stiggling
Ziryab wrote:
stiggling wrote:

Haha, yeah.

I asked Ziryab for a match recently and was ignored. That's fine. So many jerks around here, and this account looks really new. I might have ignored me too.

Elroch tends to stick to his evolution topic now, posting news clippings every once in a while. I don't see him talk so much.

 

I have my settings so that I don't see such things. It wasn't personal.

I'm pompous, you know. (And pithy, like the heart of fruit).

ok, no problem happy.png

If you (or anyone reading this) wants to play sometime, let me know. I'm open to different time controls as well as rated or unrated. I've played a few 100 games with @imronilm1204 so you don't have to be rated near me for me to play.

stiggling
applebananamango wrote:
Stiggling replies in red

This is my first post, so hello everyone. Good to be part of this community.

I am a beginner in chess. I learned the rules and stuff a long time back but never played more than a few games at the time. The last 1 month I have been taking chess seriously again and have been studying as much as possible with the resources available online. And fortunately or unfortunately I was in an accident and my leg broke. I won't be going to school for another 9 days at least. So I am completely free and want to spend all the time getting a head start on my chess studies.

So far what I have done is 

1. Watch a lot of youtube videos (John Bartholomew - Climbing the rating ladder series, ChessNetwork - Beginner to Chess Master series). Both of them had videos on undefended pieces and those 2 videos have single handedly improved my tactics a lot. I am so grateful to both of them for that.

That's not a bad first activity, it introduces a lot of ideas and terms, but after the beginner phase videos tend to be more entertainment than useful. Just a heads up.

2. Browsed quite a bit on r/chess and read through the various suggested methods for improvement. Same here on chess.com

3. Watch quite a bit of Twitch Streams - Most of them play fast games so I find it quite hard to follow but it is very relaxing and many chat members have been kind enough to provide me with advice on how to improve. Sladgie is a streamer who plays longer time controls and I do like his stream very much

More just exposing yourself to the chess culture, nice. thumbup.png

4. I am also currently going through 1 book which is 5337 chess tactics and combinations by Laszlo Polgar. I have done about a 100 each of mate in 1 and mate in 2 puzzles. I plan to do 100 problems from there each day.

Now stuff like this is what's useful.

Wow 100 problems a day, that's a lot. Ok, but the most important thing is to try failed puzzles again a few days later. Solving puzzles is good calculation practice, but saving failed puzzles and reviewing them is how you learn new patterns.

5. I am also playing a bit here and on lichess and doing tactics on lichess (and the free 1 puzzle rush and 5 tactics per day here). My rating is not at all accurate as many players have timed out due to bad connection and 1 person even resigned when he had a queen and a rook and all I had was my king. Really weird I know. This is that game in case you are curious https://www.chess.com/live/game/3290240997

I think he got upset at me not resigning. I am sorry about that. Also I played a cheater and got refunded lot of points

The gist of the advice I have received so far is - don't study openings, focus on tactics, play long time controls, analyze your games both by yourself and then with an engine etc. I am doing all that but I have a few questions I need help with from you guys if someone has the time 

1. I see a lot of posts here about openings and many of the players discussing are low rated players like me. So it got me worried if I should be studying openings as well? Consider that my real rating here is around 1300

A common pitfall for beginners is openings, so that's why they're discussed.

For higher rated players the low hanging fruit is opening discussion, because they can pull out some reference material (or use their memory) to make very high quality posts with the least amount of effort (not that I don't appreciate some people like Pfren and Poucin when they sometimes hand out little know details for free grin.png)

Anyway, don't worry about openings. It's important to memorize the first 5 moves or so, of the main lines you play, but that's about it.

2. How do I go about the post game analysis. How much time to give it? I saw a post here saying that post game annotation takes about 12-13 hours. Should I really be spending 12-13 hours on a game I spent just 30 minutes playing? Is it required at my level? Also what do I do when analyzing without an engine? I hardly see anything other than maybe a blunder i made or my opponent made which was not capitalized on. 

See, at first I thought your rating was 1600, but I guess that's misleading.

In the beginning you can't really analyze your games on your own, but no matter the level of player, to analyze without an engine first of all your goal is to find all the moves where the evaluation shifts. This can be tricky, for example lets say you're going over a game and then on move 20 you say to yourself "I like black's position." Ok, now you have to go backwards 1 move at a time until it's equal (or white is better), and you try to find the move that caused it... but again as a beginner this would be extremely frustrating.

So better would be to pick out a few moves of the game you thought were very good, and a few you thought were very bad (yours or your opponent's moves). Write some brief thoughts on them and post it plus the game in the analysis forum here and ask for advice.

Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to give as much context as possible to anyone who might want to help.

Thanks

 

applebananamango
stiggling wrote:
applebananamango wrote:
Stiggling replies in red

This is my first post, so hello everyone. Good to be part of this community.

I am a beginner in chess. I learned the rules and stuff a long time back but never played more than a few games at the time. The last 1 month I have been taking chess seriously again and have been studying as much as possible with the resources available online. And fortunately or unfortunately I was in an accident and my leg broke. I won't be going to school for another 9 days at least. So I am completely free and want to spend all the time getting a head start on my chess studies.

So far what I have done is 

1. Watch a lot of youtube videos (John Bartholomew - Climbing the rating ladder series, ChessNetwork - Beginner to Chess Master series). Both of them had videos on undefended pieces and those 2 videos have single handedly improved my tactics a lot. I am so grateful to both of them for that.

That's not a bad first activity, it introduces a lot of ideas and terms, but after the beginner phase videos tend to be more entertainment than useful. Just a heads up.

2. Browsed quite a bit on r/chess and read through the various suggested methods for improvement. Same here on chess.com

3. Watch quite a bit of Twitch Streams - Most of them play fast games so I find it quite hard to follow but it is very relaxing and many chat members have been kind enough to provide me with advice on how to improve. Sladgie is a streamer who plays longer time controls and I do like his stream very much

More just exposing yourself to the chess culture, nice. 

4. I am also currently going through 1 book which is 5337 chess tactics and combinations by Laszlo Polgar. I have done about a 100 each of mate in 1 and mate in 2 puzzles. I plan to do 100 problems from there each day.

Now stuff like this is what's useful.

Wow 100 problems a day, that's a lot. Ok, but the most important thing is to try failed puzzles again a few days later. Solving puzzles is good calculation practice, but saving failed puzzles and reviewing them is how you learn new patterns.

5. I am also playing a bit here and on lichess and doing tactics on lichess (and the free 1 puzzle rush and 5 tactics per day here). My rating is not at all accurate as many players have timed out due to bad connection and 1 person even resigned when he had a queen and a rook and all I had was my king. Really weird I know. This is that game in case you are curious https://www.chess.com/live/game/3290240997

I think he got upset at me not resigning. I am sorry about that. Also I played a cheater and got refunded lot of points

The gist of the advice I have received so far is - don't study openings, focus on tactics, play long time controls, analyze your games both by yourself and then with an engine etc. I am doing all that but I have a few questions I need help with from you guys if someone has the time 

1. I see a lot of posts here about openings and many of the players discussing are low rated players like me. So it got me worried if I should be studying openings as well? Consider that my real rating here is around 1300

A common pitfall for beginners is openings, so that's why they're discussed.

For higher rated players the low hanging fruit is opening discussion, because they can pull out some reference material (or use their memory) to make very high quality posts with the least amount of effort (not that I don't appreciate some people like Pfren and Poucin when they sometimes hand out little know details for free )

Anyway, don't worry about openings. It's important to memorize the first 5 moves or so, of the main lines you play, but that's about it.

2. How do I go about the post game analysis. How much time to give it? I saw a post here saying that post game annotation takes about 12-13 hours. Should I really be spending 12-13 hours on a game I spent just 30 minutes playing? Is it required at my level? Also what do I do when analyzing without an engine? I hardly see anything other than maybe a blunder i made or my opponent made which was not capitalized on. 

See, at first I thought your rating was 1600, but I guess that's misleading.

In the beginning you can't really analyze your games on your own, but no matter the level of player, to analyze without an engine first of all your goal is to find all the moves where the evaluation shifts. This can be tricky, for example lets say you're going over a game and then on move 20 you say to yourself "I like black's position." Ok, now you have to go backwards 1 move at a time until it's equal (or white is better), and you try to find the move that caused it... but again as a beginner this would be extremely frustrating.

So better would be to pick out a few moves of the game you thought were very good, and a few you thought were very bad (yours or your opponent's moves). Write some brief thoughts on them and post it plus the game in the analysis forum here and ask for advice.

Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to give as much context as possible to anyone who might want to help.

Thanks

 

 Wow. thanks a lot for the reply. Lots of great advice there

Dereque Kelley youtube channel looks great. Wonder why youtube recommendations didn't suggest it to me yet

I do understand that videos have limited use but like you said it is a good way to get familiar with a lot of the terms and buzzwords in chess.

That is a really interesting point regarding saving failed puzzles for later. I am certainly going to do that. I can easily make a pencil mark on my book but don't know how i can do it on chesstempo and lichess. I have to figure that out

My rating is misleading for the reasons I said. And yes you are right, it is very frustrating to analyze own games at my level. Luckily I have found a buddy from here for analysis and he is around 1700 so i get a lot more out of the analyses. But i will start doing what you recommended as well, which is to post the games here with some brief thoughts so others can comment and advice

I am terrible at fast paced games. Even 15 + 10 seems too fast for me. Once the timer drops to single digits I start panicking and blundering. Recently I had a 15+10 game against a 1900 and I was winning from the opening, had a great crushing position but simply blundered since the time was a bit low. So yeah I am gonna play games as slow as possible. 

Thanks for the well wishes. your post is an early Christmas gift for me. Thanks for taking the time out to write it

Ziryab
stiggling wrote:

 

For study IMO the 5 basic areas are openings, tactics, strategy, endgame, and annotated game collection. My advice is to pick a primary area of focus for at least 1 month, and that will be the bulk of your study time. Personally I tried to pick 1 classic book for each (except openings). For example Zurich 1953 for annotated games, Pacman's Modern Chess Strategy for strategy, Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual for endgames.

 

 

A pompous patzer wrote in his self-published book, Five Days to Better Chess (2017), that the sequence should be checkmates, endgames, middlegames (tactics and positional elements), openings, and great games in rotation. That strikes me as similar to your suggestion. You can find the book on Amazon.

stiggling

I guess it's true that great minds think alike tongue.png

Now to sell a lot of copies just throw in something really controversial, and then promote it online as some revolutionary cure all to chess improvement like that... guy whose name I'm not going to attempt to spell. Maybe you've seen him around. 

Loudcolor

stigglingZiryabsuperchessmachineghost_of_pushwoodstudy is 10x overrated play play play play play play pl7y

Ziryab
stiggling wrote:

I guess it's true that great minds think alike

Now to sell a lot of copies just throw in something really controversial, and then promote it online as some revolutionary cure all to chess improvement like that... guy whose name I'm not going to attempt to spell. Maybe you've seen him around. 

 

Yep. My error is that I say nice things about Jeremy Silman, Yasser Seiriwan, Yuri Averbakh, ...

(I also favor people who didn't quit chess when they got a book deal).

Ziryab
Loudcolor wrote:

study is 10x overrated play play play play play play pl7y

 

True. I don't play much. A mere 150K games in the past twenty years.

stiggling

Lasker was great because he was champ while playing at a rate of only 10 games every 20 years tongue.png