What does high draw percentage mean?

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The game of chess itself is a draw--if you lose you made at least one mistake.

 

The stronger you are---if you play opponents of equal strength--the more likely a draw will happen.

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But also... you can draw if you don't have much fighting spirit.

Lower rated players with low draw rates tend to fight to win, and play risky openings.

Lower rated players with high draw rates tend to accept draws even if their position is superior.

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llama47 wrote:

But also... you can draw if you don't have much fighting spirit.

Lower rated players with low draw rates tend to fight to win, and play risky openings.

Lower rated players with high draw rates tend to accept draws even if their position is superior.

Yeah I didn't really have games where I was superior and took a draw... unless I made some big mistake before that. grin.png

But the thing with my style is this - I am often too materialistic even though it would be better to be a pawn down (and I even sometimes understand during the game that it might be a better chance as my position is overwhelming), even now I don't like compromised pawn structure even though an open file might be a good thing, and I like endgames so I don't run from them (and for my level I am somewhat successful playing them). So probably that is why I have almost 10% of draws. But as a contrast I try to play Najdorf when I am allowed to, just to push myself towards more tactical position, and my tactical vision is a bit better now as well in the last few months (I've noticed that I am better at this than my average opponents in many cases).

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llama47 wrote:

But also... you can draw if you don't have much fighting spirit.

Lower rated players with low draw rates tend to fight to win, and play risky openings.

Lower rated players with high draw rates tend to accept draws even if their position is superior.

Is your draw percentage too high for your liking?  If so how would you go about rectifying that?  Press harder to win? 

These are questions you need to ask yourself.  Then upon answering them you will know if you are satisfied with your draw percentage or need to change your approach.  If this "advice" seems simple that's probably because it is.

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I don't feel one way or another about it. I'm satisfied with the way I play, so I'm not looking for advice... which is maybe why I'm curious for other's input about what it means.

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nklristic wrote:
llama47 wrote:

But also... you can draw if you don't have much fighting spirit.

Lower rated players with low draw rates tend to fight to win, and play risky openings.

Lower rated players with high draw rates tend to accept draws even if their position is superior.

Yeah I didn't really have games where I was superior and took a draw... unless I made some big mistake before that.

But the thing with my style is this - I am often too materialistic even though it would be better to be a pawn down (and I even sometimes understand during the game that it might be a better chance as my position is overwhelming), even now I don't like compromised pawn structure even though an open file might be a good thing, and I like endgames so I don't run from them (and for my level I am somewhat successful playing them). So probably that is why I have almost 10% of draws. But as a contrast I try to play Najdorf when I am allowed to, just to push myself towards more tactical opening, and my tactical vision is a bit better now as well in the last few months (I've noticed that I am better at this than my average opponents in many cases).

I also like structures, endgames, strategy, that stuff.

Maybe it's just indicative of that.

One guy at my club with a very low draw percentage is a very tactical and attacking player. Maybe that's just how the chess world works.

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llama47 wrote:
nklristic wrote:
llama47 wrote:

But also... you can draw if you don't have much fighting spirit.

Lower rated players with low draw rates tend to fight to win, and play risky openings.

Lower rated players with high draw rates tend to accept draws even if their position is superior.

Yeah I didn't really have games where I was superior and took a draw... unless I made some big mistake before that.

But the thing with my style is this - I am often too materialistic even though it would be better to be a pawn down (and I even sometimes understand during the game that it might be a better chance as my position is overwhelming), even now I don't like compromised pawn structure even though an open file might be a good thing, and I like endgames so I don't run from them (and for my level I am somewhat successful playing them). So probably that is why I have almost 10% of draws. But as a contrast I try to play Najdorf when I am allowed to, just to push myself towards more tactical opening, and my tactical vision is a bit better now as well in the last few months (I've noticed that I am better at this than my average opponents in many cases).

I also like structures, endgames, strategy, that stuff.

Maybe it's just indicative of that.

One guy at my club with a very low draw percentage is a very tactical and attacking player. Maybe that's just how the chess world works.

If you think about it, it is logical. If you like endgames and play them more often, that means those games are at least somewhat tight, so it is a good guess that it is a higher possibility of a draw for a game like that than for the average game.

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llama47 hat geschrieben:

I also like structures, endgames, strategy, that stuff.

Maybe it's just indicative of that.

One guy at my club with a very low draw percentage is a very tactical and attacking player. Maybe that's just how the chess world works.

I mean I also enjoy strategy and pawn structures - except I use them for attacking purposes. Tactics I employ are often not game winners - they take too long to calculate. Simply get some ruined pawn structures on one side, screw his piece placement there - and then win in the endgame. I don't like endgame but it's unavoidable.

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llama47 wrote:

I also like structures, endgames, strategy, that stuff.

Maybe it's just indicative of that.

One guy at my club with a very low draw percentage is a very tactical and attacking player. Maybe that's just how the chess world works.

That seems to be the reason. I fall into the second category, endgames, pawn structures and strategy disgust me, and my draw percentage is lower. Will be interesting to see whether you maintain that draw rate as you play more and more games on this account

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Steven-ODonoghue hat geschrieben:
llama47 wrote:

I also like structures, endgames, strategy, that stuff.

Maybe it's just indicative of that.

One guy at my club with a very low draw percentage is a very tactical and attacking player. Maybe that's just how the chess world works.

That seems to be the reason. I fall into the second category, endgames, pawn structures and strategy disgust me, and my draw percentage is lower. Will be interesting to see whether you maintain that draw rate as you play more and more games on this account

Ha, I'm too lazy to look for combinations, so I was basically forced into strategical/positional play.

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Ah... I wanted to play more today, but I had a terrible night due to allergies, and couldn't sleep. Had brain fog all day.

Ok... I will play for 5 days... but after that I really do want to quit and focus on long games. This summer I want to play some OTB again. It's been a few years thanks in part to the virus.

Plus it will be interesting if and how much focusing on long chess will eventually improve my blitz.

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so... llama will play rapid? 👀 interesting. 

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llama47 hat geschrieben:

I also like structures, endgames, strategy, that stuff.

Maybe it's just indicative of that.

One guy at my club with a very low draw percentage is a very tactical and attacking player. Maybe that's just how the chess world works.

I mean I also enjoy strategy and pawn structures - except I use them for attacking purposes. Tactics I employ are often not game winners - they take too long to calculate. Simply get some ruined pawn structures on one side, screw his piece placement there - and then win in the endgame. I don't like endgame but it's unavoidable.

And I am fascinated by the endgames. For instance I found a plan in one game, but saw that it doesn't work. Then I just pushed a pawn as it felt logical, and won in the end. It turned out that was the best move... because by pushing that pawn he was forced to do something (which he didn't and I won instantly). But if he played the forced move, I actually had to make another pawn move after which my first plan would work. I didn't even figure it out during the game, but when I figured it out during the analysis (for someone like you 2 000+ it would probably be obvious) I felt like a kid in a candy store. grin.png

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B1ZMARK wrote:

so... llama will play rapid? 👀 interesting. 

Probably not. I'll read chess books and stuff like that.

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That's precisely why I don't like endgames. It's much more fun in the middlegame.

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llama47 hat geschrieben:
B1ZMARK wrote:

so... llama will play rapid? 👀 interesting. 

Probably not. I'll read chess books and stuff like that.

sigh.

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Haha happy.png

Rapid games are too fast to be good practice for tournaments... IMO.

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llama47 hat geschrieben:

Haha

Rapid games are too fast to be good practice for tournaments... IMO.

then I never practice for tournaments

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llama47 wrote:

Ah... I wanted to play more today, but I had a terrible night due to allergies, and couldn't sleep. Had brain fog all day.

Ok... I will play for 5 days... but after that I really do want to quit and focus on long games. This summer I want to play some OTB again. It's been a few years thanks in part to the virus.

Plus it will be interesting if and how much focusing on long chess will eventually improve my blitz.

I played an OTB tourney yesterday. My second one ever. I scored well, but It was a big wake up call,  players that I would wipe the floor with 100 games in a row in online blitz were giving me a hard time OTB because I just have no ability in slower games. So I'm trying to play longer games online and cut back on the bullet. I've also joined a local club and I'm going to be talking to a local IM about coaching. Hopefully next time we play our match I won't get destroyed in the 5 min section

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I don't mind playing against "wild attacking" players. They need only a little encouragement to over-extend and then get trashed by accurate defense.

My "Kids, don't try this at home!" game is the prime example of that theme.