I can't think of many openings where h5 on the 5th move wouldn't be a novelty. Ruy Lopez fishing pole trap. Caro Kann comes close, with the 6th move.
What does the "N" mean ? and the "cross" ?
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Can someone explain to me about Theoretical Novelties?
Is that where there's a new move played that replaces a move in opening theory or?
That would be TN, right?
It doesn't have to be a move to replace the old one. Simply a move that hasn't been played before at the top level in that position.
Ok theoretic novelty Would make more sense, but a 5th move novelty i believe is impossible.
From 400 years of master Play and recorded games, even against total patzers i believe its nearly imposdible for a 5th move novelty. Especially considering there has to be something good so its even less likely.....
Scottrf wrote:
It doesn't have to be a move to replace the old one. Simply a move that hasn't been played before at the top level in that position.
Makes sense. Thank you sir.
I dont think it necessarily has to be good
TetsuoShima wrote:
Ok theoretisch novelty Would make more sense, but a 5th move novelty i believe is impossible.
From 400 years of master Play and recorded games, even against total patzers i believe its nearly imposdible for a 5th move novelty. Especially considering there has to be something good so its even less likely.....
It's the same thing.
Go to the mainline Ruy Lopez. 5...h5 would be a novelty. Mainline Sicilian, 5...h5 would be a novelty.
Scottrf wrote:
TetsuoShima wrote:
Ok theoretisch novelty Would make more sense, but a 5th move novelty i believe is impossible.
From 400 years of master Play and recorded games, even against total patzers i believe its nearly imposdible for a 5th move novelty. Especially considering there has to be something good so its even less likely.....
It's the same thing.
Go to the mainline Ruy Lopez. 5...h5 would be a novelty. Mainline Sicilian, 5...h5 would be a novelty.
so you really want to tell me that in the entire history of recorded games this move never has been played??
TetsuoShima wrote:
so you really want to tell me that in the entire history of recorded games this move never has been played??
Well, amateur games don't count.
And I have no idea, I don't know what the line is.
Nowadays it is forbidden to say something when giving "check" to the opponents King, but in my youth you had to announce it by saying it aloud.
A very long time ago it was even necessary to announce check to the Queen, when attacking the Queen ; I did not re-play above games yet, but can imagine that a certain letter "N" was used to describe the attack to the queen.
( ... use your imagination to find out for which word the "N" is the abbreviation ... )
I strongly doubt about using N for a novelty, as " TN " is used for a theoretical novelty.
RomyGer wrote:
Nowadays it is forbidden to say something when giving "check" to the opponents King, but in my youth you had to announce it by saying it aloud.
A very long time ago it was even necessary to announce check to the Queen, when attacking the Queen ; I did not re-play above games yet, but can imagine that a certain letter "N" was used to describe the attack to the queen.
( ... use your imagination to find out for which word the "N" is the abbreviation ... )
I strongly doubt about using N for a novelty, as " TN " is used for a theoretical novelty.
what is the word ???
(this chessbase article is a few days old Womens Title match 2013)
RomyGer wrote:
I strongly doubt about using N for a novelty, as " TN " is used for a theoretical novelty.
chessmicky wrote:
When they call a move a novelty, they're not saying that the move has never been played before in the history of chess--that would be absurd. What they are saying is that the move hasn't been played in tournament competition between master players, so it is a new approach at the highest level. Of course, all Theoretical Novelties aren't created equal: many of them turn out not to be good, and are soon forgotten.
Another kind of theoretical novelty is when a player revives a move that theory has tested and abandoned, but the player has a new idea! For example, Kramnik's reintroduction of the Berlin Wall in his match with Kasparov was a massive TN, since he took an old, moribund line and reanimated it with the addition of some new ideas.
ok then it was my misunderstanding, i thought it ment it had never been played lol
but then theoretic novelty sounds much more accurate to me than novelty
also its a bit strange to use the same N for knight and novelty.
Novelty should be n and not N.
My question to idreesarif, post 32 : this might be a language problem, but I do not understand your question : " what is the word ? " , please explain !
Further : what is that ChessBase article ? And what is the relation with the Women's Championship ?
My text in post 31 is just mine, as you can see.
RomyGer wrote:
My question to idreesarif, post 32 : this might be a language problem, but I do not understand your question : " what is the word ? " , please explain !
Further : what is that ChessBase article ? And what is the relation with the Women's Championship ?
My text in post 31 is just mine, as you can see.
Sir,
you said
"" that a certain letter "N" was used to describe the attack to the queen. ( ... use your imagination to find out for which word the "N" is the abbreviation ... ) ""
this is what I was asking, what word ?
Secondly,
you said that N could be some old symbol to show an attack on the queen ..... if you look at post 1, there is a link given to a game (yifan - ushenina from the Ladies Title Match a few days back ---- a screenshot is also there) - if N was an old symbol it wouldn't feature in a chessbase article of September 2013 .... you can see 16. Qb3 dxc4!?N - it has also been highlighted in the screenshot given in Post #1
I hope that clarifies the confusions !
TetsuoShima wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
TetsuoShima wrote:
Ok theoretisch novelty Would make more sense, but a 5th move novelty i believe is impossible.
From 400 years of master Play and recorded games, even against total patzers i believe its nearly imposdible for a 5th move novelty. Especially considering there has to be something good so its even less likely.....
It's the same thing.
Go to the mainline Ruy Lopez. 5...h5 would be a novelty. Mainline Sicilian, 5...h5 would be a novelty.
so you really want to tell me that in the entire history of recorded games this move never has been played??
There are 382 million possible positions after the fifth move. Yes, there are positions that have never appeared before human eyes.
N means novelty and generally refers only to games between substantive players. There is some variability in use. An N can appear in Chess Informant for a move that has not previously appeared in Chess Informant, even though it was played by some amateur in a simul.
Most novelties are errors, especially novelties played by weak players (most of us).
Look in your your database, and see how many time you find that move?
just because i wouldnt find it doesnt mean its a novelty, actually i dont even have a database in the first place to look it up.
The fact that you don't find it is exactly what makes it a novelty
but novelty means new, if it was played before its not a novelty, do you really want to tell me there is a 5th moves that never have been played before???