What is considered to be the main rating on Chess.com?

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Marie-AnneLiz
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Martin_Stahl wrote:
KieranPDevine wrote:

I've very recently been getting back into chess, what is considered the main rating on chess.com? Is it Blitz, Rapid? I've noticed rapid scores are noticeably higher than say blitz mode.

 

There is no main rating. But if you wanted one, the rating you play the most

What would be considered the main evaluation of a good player? How can a gauge that?

You start by knowing what rating is good in a chess club! 

Many players here have an USCF or a FIDE rating.

In those anyone under 1200 is a beginner;of course a 1200 has a lot more knowledge and experience then a 850 player.

So since you are way under 1200 you could maybe have this rating for your target for this year! or even a bit higher....

You need to know and to follow the opening principles and practice some tactics though!

If you get to 1250+ you will feel a very nice improvement! 

Good luck!

llama47

Unrated 3|0 games vs random stranger are like this

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Unrated 10|0 games vs strangers are like...

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llama47

"Rapid ratings are the real skill"

No, rapid ratings are where people barely know how the horsey moves.

nTzT
llama47 wrote:

"Rapid ratings are the real skill"

No, rapid ratings are where people barely know how the horsey moves.

Wait, who said rapid ratings are the real skill?


Your comments don't really make much sense anyways.

goldenbeer
I think blitz is the most important. Bullet has very little to do with chess, classic has no fan, rapid is the fist of engine assistant games, blitz is not as crazy as bullet and also there aren’t many players who cheat in blitz (maybe less than 20%, unlike in rapid where well over 50% are either just use engine assistance or use engine for all movea).
goldenbeer
Otherwise wasn’t that many engine assistance in rapid, I would have said that rapid is the most important part of online sites.
nTzT
goldenbeer wrote:
I think blitz is the most important. Bullet has very little to do with chess, classic has no fan, rapid is the fist of engine assistant games, blitz is not as crazy as bullet and also there aren’t many players who cheat in blitz (maybe less than 20%, unlike in rapid where well over 50% are either just use engine assistance or use engine for all movea).

You are completely out of your MIND if you think the numbers are that high. 50%??? I only play rapid and I'm pretty sure it's way less than 5%. To think Blitz is anywhere near 20% would be just as insane. The numbers simply aren't even close to that, it would ruin it completely.

nTzT

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goldenbeer
@nTzT, either you are an idiot and cannot recognize engine assistance or since you are playing in a way lower basket you don’t face such players. Just today I’ve played some rapid games and aborted some others and I’m pretty sure at least 70% of my opponents where using engine assist. I won most of them but thanks to their weak skills, mostly I won when they fall in time scramble (yes in rapid using engine assistance they fall in time scramble). Engine assistance doesn’t mean you don’t think yourself. If you show me just engine bar then I know when is the critical moment to think. For instance in one of the games I thought I have a winning attack and I sacrificed a pawn or two. Then my opponent accepted them and when I was about to launch my attack, he played spectacular move and destroyed my twitch whole plan (temporarily sacrificed a complete queen). Before I sacrifice my pawns I’ve calculated about 5-6 moves to be sure that this leads to a winning attack. The only thing I’ve missed was that queen sacrifice. In a normal game, normal human when sees such a heavy attack is coming, will not go after pawns, tries to strengthen the defensive resources or find a real counter play, unless they see with one queen sacrifice every advantage of opponent will be gone. Which is actually the last thing you might think. My opponent with 1000 bullet rating and 1300 tactic rating have foreseen all of them. That’s clear joke. I managed to win that game with a lot of material down (couple of pawns) but only on time. My opponent didn’t know how to convert it on time. I believe this guy was using engine bar not every single move was engine suggestion (maybe he was checking if his own move is good and in critical moment was using engine). These players are hardest to detect, if someone has rating above 2000 knows that when is up several pawns the best is to exchange all pieces and quickly win the endgame. It doesn’t need too precise moves unless you don’t trust yourself since you blunder too much and that means you shouldn’t be above 2000.

Additionally I’ve aborted two other games, and reported those players, their status was like: tactic 900, bullet 700, blitz 800, rapid 2100+! One of them was amazing, his rapid was 900 a year ago and then at one day he decided to win all his game and jumped to 2160.

I lost two games today, one of them was my own mistake that I pushed for a win in a drawish position but I pushed for win and lost (I didn’t accept multiple draw offers of my opponent). But the other loss of me was against a clear engine cheater, she had 52 wins and 2 losses, just imagine how high is that. I don’t know why chess.com doesn’t bann them for life time? If someone wants to practice and use engine assist and chess.com likes to tolerate them then they can go for correspondence game or maybe chess.com opens a new category (engine assist games) and make it live game, so that the other pools will be cleaner.

Normally at least upto 2300 I should win easily against my opponents but as you can see e.g. in games I played today, it is very hard to keep winning streak against that many cheaters.
Kuyadige2
goldenbeer wrote:
@nTzT, either you are an idiot and cannot recognize engine assistance or since you are playing in a way lower basket you don’t face such players. Just today I’ve played some rapid games and aborted some others and I’m pretty sure at least 70% of my opponents where using engine assist. I won most of them but thanks to their weak skills, mostly I won when they fall in time scramble (yes in rapid using engine assistance they fall in time scramble). Engine assistance doesn’t mean you don’t think yourself. If you show me just engine bar then I know when is the critical moment to think. For instance in one of the games I thought I have a winning attack and I sacrificed a pawn or two. Then my opponent accepted them and when I was about to launch my attack, he played spectacular move and destroyed my twitch whole plan (temporarily sacrificed a complete queen). Before I sacrifice my pawns I’ve calculated about 5-6 moves to be sure that this leads to a winning attack. The only thing I’ve missed was that queen sacrifice. In a normal game, normal human when sees such a heavy attack is coming, will not go after pawns, tries to strengthen the defensive resources or find a real counter play, unless they see with one queen sacrifice every advantage of opponent will be gone. Which is actually the last thing you might think. My opponent with 1000 bullet rating and 1300 tactic rating have foreseen all of them. That’s clear joke. I managed to win that game with a lot of material down (couple of pawns) but only on time. My opponent didn’t know how to convert it on time. I believe this guy was using engine bar not every single move was engine suggestion (maybe he was checking if his own move is good and in critical moment was using engine). These players are hardest to detect, if someone has rating above 2000 knows that when is up several pawns the best is to exchange all pieces and quickly win the endgame. It doesn’t need too precise moves unless you don’t trust yourself since you blunder too much and that means you shouldn’t be above 2000.

Additionally I’ve aborted two other games, and reported those players, their status was like: tactic 900, bullet 700, blitz 800, rapid 2100+! One of them was amazing, his rapid was 900 a year ago and then at one day he decided to win all his game and jumped to 2160.

I lost two games today, one of them was my own mistake that I pushed for a win in a drawish position but I pushed for win and lost (I didn’t accept multiple draw offers of my opponent). But the other loss of me was against a clear engine cheater, she had 52 wins and 2 losses, just imagine how high is that. I don’t know why chess.com doesn’t bann them for life time? If someone wants to practice and use engine assist and chess.com likes to tolerate them then they can go for correspondence game or maybe chess.com opens a new category (engine assist games) and make it live game, so that the other pools will be cleaner.

Normally at least upto 2300 I should win easily against my opponents but as you can see e.g. in games I played today, it is very hard to keep winning streak against that many cheaters.

You have very likely played some cheaters, and ones with really steep or weird rating curves definitely are among the kinds you ought to be suspicious of.  But to be honest, most of these don't sound like someone cheating at all, they sound like they played a relatively good game for them or they saw your threats, and then you either lost or won in time trouble.  How would you like it if you played a good game, were proud of it, and someone reported you for cheating?

 

Chess.com publishes statistics each month about how many cheaters there were vs how many total players there were.  There are cheaters, but even at a higher level like the one you are at, there just aren't 50%+ people cheating ever.

 

As always, I would like to caveat this with the statement that I have not played an abundance of 2100+ players and I do not have tangible evidence of the people you have played.  Perhaps you have been inordinately unlucky.  I am just speaking of the site-averaged data chess.com publishes, my personal experience, and other such various data points that do not definitely indict or exonerate those you have played against, just trend in a certain direction that leads me to some estimates.  happy.png

 

Hope you have a great day!

nTzT

Type all you want, you made the claim that "well over 50%" of people in rapid use engine assistance. Absolute nonsense. If you mean that above 2000, then maybe that number is less insane, but to think 50% of the pool is cheating is just completely delusional.

goldenbeer
@Kuyadige it could be that it was my unlucky day, but unfortunately chess.com statistics are not reliable in this case. My today’s game are out there and easy to check them all (I played 5-6 games I believe), and I think chess.com can find those games that I’ve aborted. Unfortunately chess.com rarely bann these guys, specially those who don’t do every engine move but incorporate engine suggestions in their moves are not easy to detect, so they take it very easy for cheaters.

Such an unlucky situation happens whenever I play rapid, this is why I don’t play rapid too often while I love it much more than blitz. I’ve learned to quickly abort those clear cases of engine cheaters but among non-clear cheaters there are still many games that I only trick my opponents to not win by checkmate but put them in a long game that they fail to convert due to time pressure. This is against my will, I love to play sharp tactical games but when I feel calculation wise I have no chance (which is very odd in my range since calculation is my strength not knowledge of the game) I start to play long planned boring games to just prevent losing.

@nTzT, well I’m talking about my own bracket.

I think my bracket is the worst (2000-2400) since it is decent enough to attract engine cheaters but also not that high to face too many titled players, which I believe their report is more effective and I believe in IM and GM levels there are way less clear cheaters (or they cannot live long period) and the percentage of those who use engine assistance is less.

@Tonya_Harding,
I don’t know what was the time control in your game, but your opponent seems to be specialist in a specific opening format, he or she failed to reach his goal then wasn’t familiar with the pattern and perhaps was frustrated and lost insanely. He could win your queen multiple times, it’s not that he or you blundered only once, I also don’t know time situation at that point, the game went crazy and sloppy and both of you performed quite poor at some part of the game, I believe this is normal in unfamiliar patterns. Abnormal is when someone makes no mistake, no blunder and sometimes not a single inaccuracy, even top GMs cannot do that, at least in blitz almost every GM against the same strength opponent makes a mistake in every second game.
goldenbeer
I actually double checked, no it was only one blunder from both sides (or I don’t see more than that by a quick review).
llama47
nTzT wrote:
llama47 wrote:

"Rapid ratings are the real skill"

No, rapid ratings are where people barely know how the horsey moves.

Wait, who said rapid ratings are the real skill?


Your comments don't really make much sense anyways.

I was drunk and decided to try some unrated anonymous 10 minute games.

catmaster0
goldenbeer wrote:
I think blitz is the most important. Bullet has very little to do with chess, classic has no fan, rapid is the fist of engine assistant games, blitz is not as crazy as bullet and also there aren’t many players who cheat in blitz (maybe less than 20%, unlike in rapid where well over 50% are either just use engine assistance or use engine for all movea).

Those percentages are nonsense. 

nTzT
llama47 wrote:
nTzT wrote:
llama47 wrote:

"Rapid ratings are the real skill"

No, rapid ratings are where people barely know how the horsey moves.

Wait, who said rapid ratings are the real skill?


Your comments don't really make much sense anyways.

I was drunk and decided to try some unrated anonymous 10 minute games.

Did someone actually say rapid ratings are the real skill or were you just that wasted

johnsorsby
Who cares