What is the difference between gambit and poison pawn

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ABC_of_EVERYTHING

I will appreciate you if you share something you know. It will be even better if players from all rating range come here and give their own description to this important difference. 

blueemu

Typically, the best way to refute a gambit is to accept it. Accepting a poisoned pawn has a poor reputation.

ABC_of_EVERYTHING

Any tips to identify poison pawn. 

blueemu

"He who takes the b-Pawn with the Queen, sleeps in the street."

ABC_of_EVERYTHING

Take a glance at the engine bar. I captured a poison piece.



blueemu

The term "poisoned Pawn" refers to a Pawn that can be taken "for free", not one that is guarded. So no, that Knight wasn't "a poisoned piece". It was just a bad exchange.

TheSmited
A poisoned pawn is usually a trap in the opening where a pawn seems free and unguarded(usually the b pawn), but capturing it would lead to loss of material/ being behind in development.
TheSmited
A gambit is where you sac a pawn for a lead in development or for a target in the future.
ABC_of_EVERYTHING
TheSmited wrote:
A poisoned pawn is usually a trap in the opening where a pawn seems free and unguarded(usually the b pawn), but capturing it would lead to loss of material/ being behind in development.

Just like in sicilian najdorf. Isn't it? But nobody play than line in my level. Our game capturing pawn is more like hanging pawn after few opening moves. 

TheSmited
Usually, being ahead in development isn’t that big of a gain if you’re intermediate. It only matters if you’re Magnus Carlson
TheSmited
But trapping queens is probably what you should be aiming for if you play a line with poisoned pawns
TheSmited

This is the most common queen trap if they take the poisoned pawn.

TheSmited

But what you should be learning are gambits.
There are a ton of different gambits, so the odds are your opponent doesn’t know how to play them. 

ABC_of_EVERYTHING
TheSmited wrote:
But trapping queens is probably what you should be aiming for if you play a line with poisoned pawns

I today almost trapped his queen.

ABC_of_EVERYTHING
TheSmited wrote:

But what you should be learning are gambits.
There are a ton of different gambits, so the odds are your opponent doesn’t know how to play them. 

Yes, gambit are fun. 

ABC_of_EVERYTHING
TheSmited wrote:
Usually, being ahead in development isn’t that big of a gain if you’re intermediate. It only matters if you’re Magnus Carlson

Sometimes if their intuition works, it can be dangerous 

ABC_of_EVERYTHING
TheSmited wrote:

This is the most common queen trap if they take the poisoned pawn.

The queen look trapped only after just one capture. I don't think it is a poison pawn variation. 

Rat1960

A gambit pawn is when you offer up a pawn for some other advantage.
For example d4 d5 ; c4 dxc where white hopes to exploit the better central control.
A poisoned pawn is where taking it puts a vital piece out of the game allowing the other side to typically chase a mating attack.

I suppose if the capture is by pawn it gets called gambit and poison if it gets captured by a piece.

JackRoach
blueemu wrote:

"He who takes the b-Pawn with the Queen, sleeps in the street."

Why exactly?

GMs do it

Rat1960

#19, it is a well known quote that has existed for over eighty years. I suppose if you google the quote or change b-Pawn with queen's knight pawn you might find some history.