What is the Meaning of Death ?

No consciousness after death. If no consciousness then no pain.
can this be proven?
proven, not empirically no, but it makes logical sense.
Your logical sense. Not mine. Who says my consciousness doesn't suffer any pain ? Who says my consciousness ends at my death ? That is called a belief. You're right it can't be proven. The only "proofs" that exist lie in the realm of mathamatics.
Who says my consciousness doesn't suffer any pain????
Umm what was actually claimed was that if you are not concious, that is being in a state of unconsciousness then you will not suffer any pain. I don't know of anyone here who has claimed that your consciousness doesn't suffer any pain. Are you sure you have understood what was being stated? As for its merits, one can readily discern that those who are given a general anaesthetic and rendered unconscious do not suffer any pain and can be operated upon safely by medical surgeons. That is not a belief, its an empirically established fact. If you can actually state why someone who is unconscious suffers pain then please do so, if not then the premise stands and no amount of slobbery drool will assail the logic.

In death we will be conscious of pain: unrelieved deserved excruciating . Such suffering of body and soul unceasing and increasing. There will be no escape, no-one to help. No comfort whatsoever. Hopeless, and you will be fully aware of the helpless and hopeless state of your soul.

Not convinced. Unconscious, under anesthesia and physical pain is not recalled. Does this mean it was not there, never occurred? What is "pain" anyway? Is it simply saying ouch, that hurt ? What of "psychological pain"? Traumatic events might occur. The person feels nothing at the time. The mind and body have defensive mechanisms. But days later one can suffer from "pain". Not the ouch kind, but grief or despair that certainly causes one to suffer "pain"' of the heart, mind or body.

Levels of pain are described differently. A doctor asks "on a level of 1 to 10, how much does it hurt "? One person responds with 10, another a 2. While someone else might only feel discomfort and not describe something as pain.
Ever experianced pain in a dream ? Were you actually hurting ? A dream state is not a a conscious level. Interesting question though if pain is felt on the operating table. It is not recalled due to the anesthesia is true in most cases, although people have occasionally reported otherwise.

Not convinced. Unconscious, under anesthesia and physical pain is not recalled. Does this mean it was not there, never occurred? What is "pain" anyway? Is it simply saying ouch, that hurt ? What of "psychological pain"? Traumatic events might occur. The person feels nothing at the time. The mind and body have defensive mechanisms. But days later one can suffer from "pain". Not the ouch kind, but grief or despair that certainly causes one to suffer "pain"' of the heart, mind or body.
This is just semantic jive talk -

In death we will be conscious of pain: unrelieved deserved excruciating . Such suffering of body and soul unceasing and increasing. There will be no escape, no-one to help. No comfort whatsoever. Hopeless, and you will be fully aware of the helpless and hopeless state of your soul.
Evidence for the assertion, Nil.

all science can do is quote the law of conservation of energy, so it does believe in some sort of continuation albeit in an altered form. best thing to do maybe wait for Halloween and converse with the dead, ask them what it's all about.

Semantics. Agreed.
I'm using a broader interpretation of "pain"
The original postulate was something like "being unconscious and there is no pain"
1st pain needs to be described, defined so we can begin to understand a two way discussion. Pain is quite a bit more than merely physical discomfort. Wouldn't you agree?
A common expression, "it pains me to see..." comes to mind.

Anesthetic Awareness Fact Sheet. Patient awareness under general anesthesia (or anesthetic awareness) is a rare condition that occurs when surgical patients can recall their surroundings or an event—sometimes even pressure or pain—related to their surgery while they are under general anesthesia

there was that scene in demolition man where they froze the sh*t out of Sylvester Stallone and he confessed after the thaw that he felt everything.

The pain is there, just not recalled due to drugs. When someone is unconscious, who is to say no pain of any kind doesn't exist ? Just because it's not recalled afterwards (by most) doesn't mean there is no possibilty of its existance.
Nerve receptacles can be shut off with drugs. The mind can control how much pain is felt. My point is the effect can be altered, but the cause is still there.

The original statement went something like. ..
When you're dead you're unconscious (let's assume that's true, a whole other subject gets into religeon)
When you're unconscious you feel no pain
Conclusion: when youre dead there is no pain.
Rather a flawed arguement imo.

Pain | Define Pain at Dictionary.com
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physical suffering or distress, as due to injury, illness, etc. ... to cause (someone) mental or emotional pain; distress: ... Pain and ache usually refer to physical sensations (except heartache); agony and anguish may be physical or mental.

all science can do is quote the law of conservation of energy, so it does believe in some sort of continuation albeit in an altered form. best thing to do maybe wait for Halloween and converse with the dead, ask them what it's all about.
Obeah, seance, sorcery. That's why Halloween is the most wonderful time of the year !
(Tuna, u knew u were gonna get a response from me, didn't u ? )

I like thinking of this consciousness problem in the following way:
Normally we think, did consciousness spawn material reality or vice versa?
This assumes they are two separate things.
I like to view them as one and the same.

yea, I've felt pain in my dreams too...this one time, I was getting kicked in the face by something I could not describe. I woke up to my daughters foot kicking me in the face while she was sleeping next to me.

From: Nielsen, McGregor, Zadra, Ilnicki, Ouellet
Little is known about pain in dreams. Some studies indicate that it is rare and that it may be beyond the representational capability of dreaming. However, the present study describes experiences of dreamed pain that were reported incidentally in experiments on the effects of somatosensory stimulation administered during rapid eye movement (REM) sleep. Dreams were selected from five subjects who had reported at least one instance of dreamed pain in these studies. The subjects had undergone 42 stimulation trials over 20 nights and had reported a total of 13 dreams (31%) with one or more references to pain. Most often, these references appeared to be direct, untransformed incorporations of real sensations produced by stimulation. Pain was the principal motivating agent in a majority of these dreams and was in many cases associated with strong emotion--typically anger. Dreams often depicted the subjects' attempts to obtain relief from pain, in some cases by repetition of actions, in others by metaphoric renditions of the goal. The results indicate that although pain is rare in dreams, it is nevertheless compatible with the representational code of dreaming. Further, the association of pain with dream content may implicate brainstem and limbic centers in the regulation of painful stimuli during REM sleep.
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