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What is the most moved piece in chess?
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SparkyChessTiger2021 wrote:
Queens don't often move in the opening, and usually get traded in the middlegame
unless ur under 800 rating lmaoo
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Snookslayer wrote:
Would be interesting... if you sampled say ALL the Candidate games from 2018 (56 total I think) and added up all the different piece moves, which one was moved the most. That way it's a mix short and long games.
I have no idea.... could be anything, other than the Queen which aren't usually around in end-games. Anyone have some time on their hands?
That would be interesting. But games that end early, with a resignation because someone is a pawn down, are going to be different than a game that goes to 75 moves. Games that end with those early resignations are going to have mostly pawn moves, because there is so much more opportunity for them to be moved. Long games, where many or most pawns are gone, are going to have other pieces that get moved more. So it is hard to say. It just depends.
I'm starting to think the answer to that specific question (most moved in the '18 Candidates) is the bishop. They bounce around in opening, middlegame and endgame. There's two of them and GM's hate to part with them.
Alright, time for someone to spend a day finding this answer.
Apr 12, 2021
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#145
The original post said "piece", not pieces, so each pawn is considered a different piece...i.e. the king pawn is one piece, the queen pawn is a different piece, etc, etc...., therefore the max moves for a pawn in a game is 6. I think all of the other pieces exceed that in game.
Apr 12, 2021
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#146
hoodoothere wrote:
The original post said "piece", not pieces, so each pawn is considered a different piece...i.e. the king pawn is one piece, the queen pawn is a different piece, etc, etc...., therefore the max moves for a pawn in a game is 6. I think all of the other pieces exceed that in game.
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I meant if you counted all of the moves each type of piece made.
8 pawns in total have made 18 of a game's 50 moves, for example
2 rooks in total have made 10 of a game's 50 moves, for example
etc etc
And the most moved piece is the average of these stats
Snookslayer wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Snookslayer wrote:
Would be interesting... if you sampled say ALL the Candidate games from 2018 (56 total I think) and added up all the different piece moves, which one was moved the most. That way it's a mix short and long games.
I have no idea.... could be anything, other than the Queen which aren't usually around in end-games. Anyone have some time on their hands?
That would be interesting. But games that end early, with a resignation because someone is a pawn down, are going to be different than a game that goes to 75 moves. Games that end with those early resignations are going to have mostly pawn moves, because there is so much more opportunity for them to be moved. Long games, where many or most pawns are gone, are going to have other pieces that get moved more. So it is hard to say. It just depends.
I'm starting to think the answer to that specific question (most moved in the '18 Candidates) is the bishop. They bounce around in opening, middlegame and endgame. There's two of them and GM's hate to part with them.
Alright, time for someone to spend a day finding this answer.
Could be. There are definitely games where any given piece is moved the most. I still think overall the pawns are moved the most, in shorter games at least. But from what I've seen rooks get moved a lot in endgames. So if a game is resigned early, chances are it's going to be the pawns that are moved most. If the game goes the distance, chances are it's going to be something like a rook, or possibly bishop. Or as someone else pointed out, the king. Too many variables.
hoodoothere wrote:
The original post said "piece", not pieces, so each pawn is considered a different piece...i.e. the king pawn is one piece, the queen pawn is a different piece, etc, etc...., therefore the max moves for a pawn in a game is 6. I think all of the other pieces exceed that in game.
I thought of that too. But I assumed it meant combined. So both rooks, both bishops, etc. Which is why it's likely the king and queen are moved the least. If you take it literally, and it's just "piece" then it's a whole new question. Then it very well could be the queen or king.
Just for the heck of it, I picked a totally random game from the 2018 Candidates tournament.... Grischuk vs Kramnik... Grischuk wins with white after move 48. Here were the total moves for each piece... (wasn't sure how to treat castle, so I just left that as a single move)
Castle 2
King 3
Queen 9
Bishop 14
Pawn 20
Knight 22
Rook 25
hoodoothere wrote:
The original post said "piece", not pieces, so each pawn is considered a different piece...i.e. the king pawn is one piece, the queen pawn is a different piece, etc, etc...., therefore the max moves for a pawn in a game is 6. I think all of the other pieces exceed that in game.
bruh, whenever a new chess game is played people might start with a new set of pieces, like in online games, so in order to find out the answer you have figure out how many times every chess piece in the world has been moved.
Snookslayer wrote:
Just for the heck of it, I picked a totally random game from the 2018 Candidates tournament.... Grischuk vs Kramnik... Grischuk wins with white after move 48. Here were the total moves for each piece... (wasn't sure how to treat castle, so I just left that as a single move)
Castle 2
King 3
Queen 9
Bishop 14
Pawn 20
Knight 22
Rook 25
I counted castle as both a king and rook move. The results you have are very similar to what I found. Pawn and rook are always near the very top. The longer the game, the more rook moves are made.
Apr 12, 2021
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#153
lchenpku wrote:
hoodoothere wrote:
The original post said "piece", not pieces, so each pawn is considered a different piece...i.e. the king pawn is one piece, the queen pawn is a different piece, etc, etc...., therefore the max moves for a pawn in a game is 6. I think all of the other pieces exceed that in game.
bruh, whenever a new chess game is played people might start with a new set of pieces, like in online games, so in order to find out the answer you have figure out how many times every chess piece in the world has been moved.
Tallying all games for a precise answer is an obvious given and is impractical to do. The best answer can only be an estimate. However, your post had nothing to do with my post. My post just questions the method of the tally. Are the piece types tallied together or are all the pieces considered different at the start based on their starting position? It's an arbitrary decision that has to be made before the tally.
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Game_of_Pawns wrote:
How are you still going on about this after the answer has literally been posted? I didn't even deem this a question worth answering even before the answer was stated. It was always just so obviously Pawn lol. Like, it's not even a conversation. How can you possibly still not know the answer, even now?
So there are going to be MANY games (short games usually) where the pawn is the most moved piece.
This statement may be incorrect. Which pawn? The flank pawns/outside pawns get moved the least. In this case the king moves more than the h-pawn or the a-pawn. Which rook gets moved the most? The rook that castles? See where I'm going with this. End result is that the queen gets moved more that any other piece. One knight gets moved more than the other knight. Only way a pawn gets moved the most is when the pawn gets promoted...
Apr 17, 2021
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#155
I would say the pawn. It is the first start to a open to the game of chess, and you use 5 or 6 just to protect your own pieces.
JuergenWerner wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Game_of_Pawns wrote:
How are you still going on about this after the answer has literally been posted? I didn't even deem this a question worth answering even before the answer was stated. It was always just so obviously Pawn lol. Like, it's not even a conversation. How can you possibly still not know the answer, even now?
So there are going to be MANY games (short games usually) where the pawn is the most moved piece.
This statement may be incorrect. Which pawn? The flank pawns/outside pawns get moved the least. In this case the king moves more than the h-pawn or the a-pawn. Which rook gets moved the most? The rook that castles? See where I'm going with this. End result is that the queen gets moved more that any other piece. One knight gets moved more than the other knight. Only way a pawn gets moved the most is when the pawn gets promoted...
There are so many exceptions, you are right. It may be incorrect. But I think overall short games will have the pawn move most. In longer games, sure, the queen could move the most. It just depends on the players ability, the length of game, and also the position.
As far as which knight, which bishop, which rook that would be an interesting question. I'll bet that too depends the same factors.
lfPatriotGames wrote:
I think overall short games will have the pawn move most.
Just not when beginners are playing, right?
Game_of_Pawns wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
I think overall short games will have the pawn move most.
Just not when beginners are playing, right?
Rating or ability would make a difference, yes. Beginners, for some reason, tend to move the most powerful pieces the most. It would be interesting to find out just how much. I would imagine beginners, in short games (as well as longer games) probably move their queen more than intermediate or advanced players. In proportion to the other pieces at least.
So it seems likely that short games will have pawns move the most BUT when it comes to beginners, that ratio probably drops a bit.
My thirst though was pawns, but tbh, now I'm considering the king because of all the wild goose chases in the endgames. With absoloute beginners, a rule is 'when you don't know what to move, move a pawn', so it's pawns for them.
Warrior_GOLD wrote:
My thirst though was pawns, but tbh, now I'm considering the king because of all the wild goose chases in the endgames. With absoloute beginners, a rule is 'when you don't know what to move, move a pawn', so it's pawns for them.
Yes. Someone else also mentioned the king. Because in the endgame, it's always being attacked. I still say rooks are moved the most, or near the most. But for the same reason. Endgame. In shorter games pawns and bishops and knights are moved more.
Queens don't often move in the opening, and usually get traded in the middlegame