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Nov 16, 2024

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#101

jli30c wrote:

Damaino: Qe7 exists.

I have analysed this, and I guess that fact must be so. However, after 4. Nf3 Qxe4+ 5. Be2, I think you will find that Stockfish thinks White is winning at an advantage of +1.98.

CharlestonViennaGambit

Nov 16, 2024

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#102

Fr3nchToastCrunch wrote:

People say g4 (grob) is the worst opening move, but I'd argue it's f3 by a long shot.

Playing f3...

- Weakens the king (g4 also does, but not nearly as much)

- Develops no pieces (g4 develops a bishop, if only a bit awkwardly)

- Doesn't even try to get center space (g4 does...kinda)

- Blocks your knight's good square (g4 does not)

- Is the only opening move considered a mistake ("?") by Stockfish (g4 is not)

f3 may be the worst first move for White, but remember: Black has something far worse.

CharlestonViennaGambit

Nov 16, 2024

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#103

jli30c wrote:

You get a fine game with the Duras. I played Stockfish Stockfish with the Duras and it ended as a draw.

Englund: Deferred Soller Gambit.

Grob sucks though.

Excellent job of explaining why some openings are not bad. Now which one is the worst?

CharlestonViennaGambit

Nov 16, 2024

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#104

TheBlunderMaster356 wrote:

irish gambit

This is similar to the Haloween gambit, which is rated "very good" by many GMs, IM, and so on.

CharlestonViennaGambit

Nov 16, 2024

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#105

ea914 wrote:

Bong cloud

This is far better than openings like the Barnes Opening/defense, Fried Fox opening, and Duras Gambit. Sorry.

PlayerIDC

Nov 16, 2024

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#106

I think Barnes (f3)

TheBlunderMaster356

Nov 16, 2024

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#107

CharlestonViennaGambit wrote:

What is the worst opening that either side can play in chess? This is just for fun purposes.

In my opinion, it is the Damiano Defense, as it is proven to be losing by force as black.

how's damiano defense losing by force?

CharlestonViennaGambit

Nov 17, 2024

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#108

TheBlunderMaster356 wrote:

CharlestonViennaGambit wrote:

What is the worst opening that either side can play in chess? This is just for fun purposes.

In my opinion, it is the Damiano Defense, as it is proven to be losing by force as black.

how's damiano defense losing by force?

It would be losing via 3. Nxe5 Qe7 4. Nf3 Qxe4+ 5. Be2, where although White is not up any material, the advantage is still +1.98, at least according to Stockfish.

CharlestonViennaGambit

Nov 17, 2024

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#109

PlayerIDC wrote:

I think Barnes (f3)

You must not have seen what I said to @Fr3nchToastCrunch.

CharlestonViennaGambit

Nov 17, 2024

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#110

AACChessPro wrote:

Kings gambit sucks

It may be bad sometimes, but remember: there are worse.

dylan4579

Nov 17, 2024

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#111

Bongcloud

CharlestonViennaGambit

Nov 17, 2024

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#112

dylan4579 wrote:

Bongcloud

This is far better than openings like the Barnes Opening/defense, Fried Fox opening, and Duras Gambit. Sorry.

TheBlunderMaster356

Nov 17, 2024

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#113

CharlestonViennaGambit wrote:

TheBlunderMaster356 wrote:

CharlestonViennaGambit wrote:

What is the worst opening that either side can play in chess? This is just for fun purposes.

In my opinion, it is the Damiano Defense, as it is proven to be losing by force as black.

how's damiano defense losing by force?

It would be losing via 3. Nxe5 Qe7 4. Nf3 Qxe4+ 5. Be2, where although White is not up any material, the advantage is still +1.98, at least according to Stockfish.

i meant losing by force and not positionally worse. the irish gambit is worse because you are simply giving up a knight without enough compensation

sigma

Nov 17, 2024

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#114

e4 e5 nf3 f6 only loses a pawn because black doesn’t have to take the knight

sigma

Nov 17, 2024

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#115

I would argue that f3 is worse

CharlestonViennaGambit

Nov 17, 2024

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#116

TheBlunderMaster356 wrote:

CharlestonViennaGambit wrote:

TheBlunderMaster356 wrote:

CharlestonViennaGambit wrote:

What is the worst opening that either side can play in chess? This is just for fun purposes.

In my opinion, it is the Damiano Defense, as it is proven to be losing by force as black.

how's damiano defense losing by force?

It would be losing via 3. Nxe5 Qe7 4. Nf3 Qxe4+ 5. Be2, where although White is not up any material, the advantage is still +1.98, at least according to Stockfish.

i meant losing by force and not positionally worse. the irish gambit is worse because you are simply giving up a knight without enough compensation

Well, if 3. Nxe5 fxe5, Qh5+ is winning by force for White. If g6, then Qxe5+ wins the rook and if instead Black plays Ke7, 5. Qxe5+ Nd7 6. Bc4+, Black either gets checkmated or loses back the material with interest.

CharlestonViennaGambit

Nov 17, 2024

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#117

Matrix, you may be right, but the positional advantage that White has is so great that Black is worse in the Damiano Defense than White is in the Barnes Opening.

CharlestonViennaGambit

Nov 18, 2024

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#118

JamesClrrke wrote:

Going in with no air support…

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