What is up wit the Scandinavian these days?

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immortalgamer

Did I miss the memo?  Everyone is playing this right now.  It's weird.  Was there a lecture on it or something? 

Feldmm1

Not that I know of.

Variable

Do I smell sarcasm? Hmm ... maybe it is a literal thing, heh

IanSteiner

That is strange.  I started playing that recently (not successfully) for no particular reason.  I did see a tutorial on it on YouTube so maybe that has something to do with it.

KillaBeez

I sometimes play the Scandinavian for surprise value.  Although it apparently wastes a tempo, play can actually turn into a Caro-Kann where Black plays an early Qa5.  Knowing some about the Caro is helpful in the ensuing structures common to both openings.

immortalgamer
Dmytro wrote:
immortalgamer wrote:

Did I miss the memo?  Everyone is playing this right now.  It's weird.


Everyone? What at least 5 well-known  GM's play it now?


LOL...I mean here on Chess.com silly

cheesehat

I swear most are beginners that don't know how to play.

 

1. e4 d5  2. exd5 Qxd5  3. Nc3 Nc6??

Frenchie501

Blame the youtube video on the scandinavian.

I still say its bad as Black gains loads of time for development. Its also on this video where a check is recommended, because its known as the Bronstein variation, which makes it good because it has a name Undecided

 

Just like the barnes defence has a name but that is shockingly bad (f6)

Zenchess
KillaBeez wrote:

I sometimes play the Scandinavian for surprise value.  Although it apparently wastes a tempo, play can actually turn into a Caro-Kann where Black plays an early Qa5.  Knowing some about the Caro is helpful in the ensuing structures common to both openings.


This idea that it 'wastes a tempo' is so weird.  I used to think this too.  But seriously, how has the entire world been brainwashed into believing the scandinavian wastes a tempo?

ANALAYSIS TIME!

1.e4            TEMPO COUNT: WHITE 1 BLACK 0

1...d5        TEMPO COUNT: WHITE 1 BLACK 1

2.exd5       TEMPO COUNT: WHITE 1 BLACK 0

2...Qxd5    TEMPO COUNT:  WHITE 0 BLACK 1

3. Nc3        TEMPO COUNT: WHITE 1 BLACK 1

3...Qa5       TEMPO COUNT: WHITE 1 BLACK 1

So when did black "lose a tempo"?  He's got the same tempo count advantage at the end of the maneuver as when he started.

Here's what really happens:

#1 Black develops his queen to d5 while white's pawn dissapears.  THerefore black GAINS a tempo on this move

#2 White develops his knight to c3 GAINING A TEMPO.  Since black was already up a tempo, white has not gained any significant lead in development.

Crazy eh?

immortalgamer

I honestly don't know any real lines in the scandinavian but I do recognize it and know how to play against it at an amature level.  Is it a solid black defense?

Any Scandinavian Experts out there?

Explain why it is good or bad?

Frenchie501

Just to correct myself...when I said black develops I meant white develops

Feldmm1
ManicDragon wrote:

It's solid enough -- I think Kasparov might have even had a little trouble against it in a game or two. Don't quote me on that quite yet, I'll try to find the game that I vaguely remember (unless someone is gracious enough to beat me to it).


 I think I read Anand may have beaten Kasparov with it when he was still world champion.

Webgogs

I use the Scandinavian because it's too complicated for the unprepared player to calculate OTB. There is no single forced line that leads to advantage for white.

Webgogs

I might have had something to do with the popularization of it on this site.

immortalgamer

Do tell....

spinningrearkick
immortalgamer wrote:

Did I miss the memo?  Everyone is playing this right now.  It's weird.  Was there a lecture on it or something? 


 I picked up the scandinavian on chesslecture.com IM Bryan ,have not lost with it with white and its not main line.

HinoNino
Frenchie501 wrote:

Blame the youtube video on the scandinavian.

I still say its bad as Black gains loads of time for development. Its also on this video where a check is recommended, because its known as the Bronstein variation, which makes it good because it has a name

 

Just like the barnes defence has a name but that is shockingly bad (f6)


 

I m sorry to tell you that what you're saying is not true... The scandinavian defence is a good one & can be deployed if you have good infos about it... It branches into 2 main directions after the 2nd move for white 2.exd5 which are either : 2... Qxd5 or 2... Nf6 . For Qxd5, it's not a tempo waste although black will have to move the queen after 3.Nc3 cause according to analysis, black can go either 3...Qa5 (the most played line) or 3...Qd6 which was proved to be a valid move ...

So the big advantage with the scandinavian is that it makes black the one who choose the game type & not white, as 1st it takes white out of his opening reperatoire & 2nd it avoids all the known well prepared openings like the Spanish, the Scotsh & the Italian games... & i got a lot of videos by IM from chesslecture.com in which he was analysing the scandinavian opening... & I myslef played it many times & it was playable enough for me. So please people, nobody describes something unless he knows about it.

Lions

I'm part of my school's chess club/team and we usually play casual games for two hours every Monday night... and everyone and their mother there plays the Scandinavian.  I have no idea why.  I personally have nothing against it, I think it's plenty solid, I just prefer the Sicilian.

gabrielconroy

I'm always happy when someone plays it against me. I tend to just go for simple developing moves, and if black's played 3...Qa5, I try to pressure the queen (if indirectly).

I'd definitely say there's room for a white advantage in this opening.

Zenchess
ElGuero wrote:

I personally am not a fan of the Scandinavian, but I love it when someone else plays it against me.  But to Zenchess, I'd like to mention that it wastes a lot of tempi, because white can make several attacks on black's queen, gaining in development, while black just wastes time running away.


Can you show me some moves that prove this?  What usually happens is white plays Bd2 which is not that great of a developing square for his bishop, and then 'gains time' by letting the queen settle on c7 and probably exchanging the c3 knight for the f6 knight. 

If you show me a main line where black is down several tempi I'm pretty interested.  But also, I'd like to note that tempi isn't everything :p