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fischerman_bob

Lack of critical thinking skills. Truth is not the same as existing. The belief that the sun revolved around the world existed. However, that does not mean that it did.

kleelof wrote:

fischerman_bob wrote:

Nazism was VERY fashionable in Germany decades ago. Does that make it true?????

Not sure you are asking what you think you are asking.

Logically speaking, Nazism is true because it existed.

kleelof
fischerman_bob wrote:

Lack of critical thinking skills. Truth is not the same as existing. The belief that the sun revolved around the world existed. However, that does not mean that it did.

kleelof wrote:

fischerman_bob wrote:

 

Nazism was VERY fashionable in Germany decades ago. Does that make it true?????

 

 

Not sure you are asking what you think you are asking.

Logically speaking, Nazism is true because it existed.

I think you've finally let the worms eat into your brain.

fischerman_bob

So you are saying that if you believe something (the belief exists) it must be the truth?????

kleelof
GreedyPawnEater wrote:

And the one on the far right doesnt look fashionable at all. Looks like someone coming from the 20 century

19th century?

kleelof
DarklingSalmon wrote:

The proposition "nazism is true" is not a valid statement of any interest. It's not something that can be called true or false - except in that it existed or not. Or it is an overly general statement.

Kleelof, I think, tried to say that in a different way."not what you think you are asking...".

Sure. 

It was just that he ased if 'Nazism is true?'. Which, as you pointed out, it cannot be true or false.

However, I am a programmer. And, in programming, if something exists, it is considered 'true'. Laughing

Perhaps I should have put that in there somewhere.

Spectator94

Watching football, reading literature, video games and learning languages/cultures

fischerman_bob

Nazism was false. The Jews are not sub human and there is not a worldwide Jewish conspiracy.

kleelof
DarklingSalmon wrote:

It could be true/false in a very general sense, in that it put forth a valid world view or not."Scientology is true." But hard for that because I don't think it was a belief system in that sense. I.E.,"captitalism is true" or "communism is true" don't make sense to me as logical statements.

There is no such thing as a 'valid' or 'invalid' world view. A world view is shaped by the experience of the person creating it.

Perhaps when you say 'true' you are meaning 'truth'. These are not the same thing.

fischerman_bob

One can prove Nazism false with empirical data.

fischerman_bob

One can prove Nazism false. Simply prove that Jews are not subhuman and that there is no conspiracy. Similarly, scientology can be proven false. Simply test there machine and see if it reads minds.

kleelof

"true" "false"

kleelof

True, definition #1 - in accordance with fact or reality.

fischerman_bob

You are confusing validity with truth.

Here is an argument that is true and valid.

1. Socrates was a man.

2. All men are mortal.

3. Therefore Socrates was mortal.

Here is an argument that is valid and not true.

1. All Martains eat snakes.

2. Bob is a Martain.

3. Therefore, Bob eats snakes.

Here isan argument that is invalid but true.

1. Nixon was peesident.

2. Eisenhower was president.

3. Therefore, Carter was president.

fischerman_bob

Agreed! Nazism isnot true because it does not correspond to the facts. Jews are not subhuman and there is no worldwide Jewish conspiracy.

kleelof wrote:

True, definition #1 - in accordance with fact or reality.

kleelof
fischerman_bob wrote:

Agreed! Nazism isnot true because it does not correspond to the facts. Jews are not subhuman and there is no worldwide Jewish conspiracy.

kleelof wrote:

True, definition #1 - in accordance with fact or reality.

Nazism was real, it is a fact. 

This is not the same as saying it was correct.

Again, truth/correct are NOT the same thing as 'true'.

fischerman_bob

I would say that Nazism is valid (its beliefs follow logically ). However, it is not true ( its propositions do not correspond to reality).

kleelof
fischerman_bob wrote:

I would say that Nazism is valid (its beliefs follow logically ). However, it is not true ( its propositions do not correspond to reality).

This is one of the great thing for philosophers, even amateur ones, you can say anything in any way you want even when it falls outside the bounds of reason and still feel you are correct.

You're trapped in the minds of madmen my friend.

fischerman_bob

Nazism is a belief system. Beliefs (propositions ) can be true or false. To say that because a belief (or proposition) exists it must be true is silly.

fischerman_bob

So your belief that all propositions are true is not madness????

fischerman_bob

Note that your lack of philosophical reasoning ability has made you accept an insane proposition, that all propositions are true.