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RespektMyAuthoritah
GaborHorvath wrote:

I would recommend the following three things (in order of importance):

1. Play through a lot of annotated master games on a real board.

That will eliminate a good part of your blunders and increase your overall chess understanding in every phase of the game. 

2. Work on your tactics with the help of some well structured books. 

Books are far superior to random online puzzles - especially if those puzzles are timed. 

3. Play games with slower time control, like 15/10. 

So you actually practice the game, without time pressure. I don't find daily games so beneficial, but they are also better than nothing. 

 

Hey just out of curiosity why do you think books are better than online puzzles? Is it the structure?

pcwildman

I would refer you to the cheaters forum. You totally misunderstand.

RespektMyAuthoritah
pcwildman wrote:

I would refer you to the cheaters forum. You totally misunderstand.

It is my opinion that it is cheating, this site thinks differently and that's ok they own the site and they make the rules. Regardless, the point is that using any resources besides your own mind during a game is not good for your chess. It creates bad habits. I've given clear reasons as to why, you're just saying "you totally misunderstand" without providing any reasons. Please tell me what am I not understanding

pcwildman

@RespektMyAuthoritah I hear what you're saying, but you have a complete misunderstanding of the situation. People play Daily because they don't have a lot of time to sit down and devote hours to chess. We aren't using books to decide our next move. At the most, the analyzer will tell you the names of the openings, something that anyone at my level, or above, should already know. ***** We are applying what studies we can to our game, otherwise all of our moves are still decided by the Chess knowledge in our head. Yes, you can go through the moves physically on a board. This comes from the old days when people used to play by mail. I used to play by email. How can I learn to calculate if I can't sit and watch the pieces move around into all of the different iterations? You have to calculate in your head at a tournament or playing Rapid. That's fine. You also have to do the calculation in daily. After all of those iterations you have to decide which is the best. How many hours has everyone spent moving the pieces around the board to try different positions in order to learn something? How often have you applied your studies to your RBB games? ***** I have not actually studied for the past year that I've been playing some 30 games on here. I learned more from playing those games than I ever learned before. I wanted to find out what my rating was, and now I'm starting to study. ***** You only learn in the long run, and the analysis after the game, playing Rapid. Daily allows you to study and apply your studies to your game, which doesn't really happen. There are no videos or books which are going to give you an exact move for an exact position. I joined this site to find out if I could still play the game, and now I consider this training for going to an OTB tournament and not getting my butt completely kicked by kids. I'm also gearing up to play Rapid. ***** I agree that it is an advantage to be able to think about your moves for longer than 20 seconds, but everyone has the same advantage, and daily player ratings are more equal to real world ratings then RBB ratings. I've beaten players in Daily that are seemingly good in Rapid. They might have beaten me in Rapid. Some say that RBB is only to play and learn about traps. Many don't have strong end games. I will look to play potentially hour long games when I start Rapid. Then I need to start playing practice tournament times. Thanks for the info. It's the Patzers versus Real Chess Players argument come back to life. En garde. No ill will, I love a good debate. I'm here to learn. 😁 OP, we might be headed for a show down. Maybe we can sell tickets.

pcwildman

You only learn in the long run, and the analysis after the game, playing Rapid. Daily allows you to study and apply your studies to your game, which doesn't really happen. There are no videos or books which are going to give you an exact move for an exact position. I joined this site to find out if I could still play the game, and now I consider this training for going to an OTB tournament and not getting my butt completely kicked by kids. I'm also gearing up to play Rapid. ***** I agree that it is an advantage to be able to think about your moves for longer than 20 seconds, but everyone has the same advantage, and daily player ratings are more equal to real world ratings then RBB ratings. I've beaten players in Daily that are seemingly good in Rapid. They might have beaten me in Rapid. Some say that RBB is only to play and learn about traps. Many don't have strong end games. I will look to play potentially hour long games when I start Rapid. Then I need to start playing practice tournament times. Thanks for the info. It's the Patzers versus Real Chess Players argument come back to life. En garde. No ill will, I love a good debate. I'm here to learn. 😁 OP, we might be headed for a show down. Maybe we can sell tickets.

pcwildman

Sorry, DoubleRD77. I went with the short version, because I get way too verbal, and you have enough advice here to keep you confused for a while. That's the original. I am also taking the advice of all the wonderful people on this page. It does no further good to beat this horse.

pcwildman

The 20 seconds counts as just a nice average of how fast you need to play in short games.

pcwildman

I still think you might consider not worrying too much about studying and just play.

RespektMyAuthoritah

Yea you're right we are clearly set in our own opinions and this is getting us nowhere. One thing I do want to mention, you've said multiple times "We aren't using books to decide our next move" which might be true in your case but I personally know people who play daily and use a book to determine their moves so just because you don't do it doesn't mean others don't

pcwildman

Unfortunately, people sheet. We can't talk about it here that's why we need to go to the sheeting forum and I think double RD77 you should check it out. The bad habit argument is probably moot. I can only parrot what I've read. It'd be interesting to hear some of the masters chime in on that one.

pcwildman

I guess people are possibly using master games and then trying to play the moves out of the book? Yeah, that's a little dicey, but I wouldn't really mind playing against that because it gives me a stronger competition. There's no way I'm gonna copy the exact moves of his opponent, and when I start making moves that aren't there you can't look up he's gonna be totally confused and totally lose.

pcwildman

And you're right about taking advice from people with higher ratings. At least not 500 and they've been on here a week. 😁🙄

RespektMyAuthoritah
pcwildman wrote:

Unfortunately, people sheet. We can't talk about it here that's why we need to go to the sheeting forum and I think double RD77 you should check it out. The bad habit argument is probably moot. I can only parrot what I've read. It'd be interesting to hear some of the masters chime in on that one.

Are you trolling? I am talking about what is ALLOWED on this site which is using books and opening databases in daily games. I posted a screenshot of the rules which state

"In Daily Chess (turn-based games with several days per move), you may consult any resource which is not engine-based. This includes BOOKS, OPENING DATABASES (including the Chess.com Explorer) for standard and thematic games (though not their engine analyses)."

Here's the link: https://support.chess.com/article/648-what-do-i-need-to-know-about-fair-play-on-chess-com#:~:text=In%20Daily%20Chess%20(turn%2Dbased,Tablebases%20are%20NOT%20allowed.

You claim people don't use books but they are allowed just because you don't use it doesn't mean others don't. That is my point. Why are you having such a difficult time understanding this simple thing?

RespektMyAuthoritah
pcwildman wrote:

And you're right about taking advice from people with higher ratings. At least not 500 and they've been on here a week. 😁🙄

Yes and the highest rated player on this thread who happens to be a titled player said that they don't find daily games beneficial. I would love to do a survey with GMs and ask them which do they prefer for beginners: 15|10 or higher or daily games where books can be used. And see what they say.

pcwildman

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DoubleRD77

Well, I have turned into a garbage player.  I cannot win a game for anything.  I can be way ahead and still blunder.  I really suck tear.png  My rating is just crumbling

 

ChrisZifo
DoubleRD77 wrote:

Well, I have turned into a garbage player.  I cannot win a game for anything.  I can be way ahead and still blunder.  I really suck   My rating is just crumbling

 

I know how you feel. Once I get into a bad run of form, things go from bad to worse.

Part of chess is about getting yourself in the right frame of mind before you even play.  Before you even play,  do some stuff like watch some youtubers (Daniel Naroditsky is my best tip), do some some puzzles (just to make sure you arent too tired to play!)  and DEFINITELY research some openings.

Once you have created an opening repertoire, your rating will become much higher. This kind of study might sound kind of nerdy but if you want to improve at chess that is the only way. If you really concentrate in the first 8 moves you will find errors  to exploit.

I had a quick look at one of your games and you played Bishop e2. That move is not in any opening because it just isn't attacking enough.  I would also question the early castle- sure you get it safe, but black cannot do very much at such an early stage and I would be looking to get knights developed and really attack black

GaborHorvath
RespektMyAuthoritah wrote:
GaborHorvath wrote:

I would recommend the following three things (in order of importance):

1. Play through a lot of annotated master games on a real board.

That will eliminate a good part of your blunders and increase your overall chess understanding in every phase of the game. 

2. Work on your tactics with the help of some well structured books. 

Books are far superior to random online puzzles - especially if those puzzles are timed. 

3. Play games with slower time control, like 15/10. 

So you actually practice the game, without time pressure. I don't find daily games so beneficial, but they are also better than nothing. 

 

Hey just out of curiosity why do you think books are better than online puzzles? Is it the structure?

 

It is the structure, yes, meaning in a good tactical book there are themes (distraction, interference, etc.), the puzzles have gradually increasing difficulty, and the author takes care that there are enough repetitions for all the important patterns in a theme. But it is also the quality of the puzzles, as it is a curated selection, not just some random stuff. If it is a book from a Russian author, it typically contains a lifetime collection, and it shows. 

blueemu
GaborHorvath wrote:

I would recommend the following three things (in order of importance):

1. Play through a lot of annotated master games on a real board.

That will eliminate a good part of your blunders and increase your overall chess understanding in every phase of the game. 

2. Work on your tactics with the help of some well structured books. 

Books are far superior to random online puzzles - especially if those puzzles are timed. 

3. Play games with slower time control, like 15/10. 

So you actually practice the game, without time pressure. I don't find daily games so beneficial, but they are also better than nothing. 

 

Excellent advice, but I would add a fourth point:

4. Play over each of your lost games, and don't give up on it until you've figured out WHY you lost each one. Try to find the REAL reason for each loss... not just "I blundered my Queen away", but WHY you couldn't come up with a decent move (or at least, a SAFE move) in that position. Did you feel uncomfortable because the center was too closed (or too open)? Were the tactics too confusing? Had you spent too much time earlier in the game coming up with a plan, so you were reduced to making random moves in the late game?

I know that spending time looking at your lost games can be depressing, but it can also be very beneficial.

pcwildman

I notice that the master has pretty even ELOs across-the-board. I also noticed that the people who can play well in Daily are the better players in RBB.