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Turing did not usually kill himself either, as well as leaving his shoes outside. It's quite possible that he did it deliberately. We shall never know.
Copeland leaned more to an accident, thinking the evidence for suicide, despite that being the official verdict, was rather thin, and did not take account of evidence that Turing could be clumsy in the laboratory, he was partial to eating an apple before going to bed and was known to absent-mindedly put the apple down in cyanide. However, Copeland gave more attention to the possibility of murder than Turing's first biographer, Andrew Hodges. If you wanted to make a murder scene look normal without actually knowing anything about the victim's habits, leaving shoes outside a door might be what you would do. But yes, we will never know.
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Atisbo wrote:
Turing did not usually kill himself either, as well as leaving his shoes outside. It's quite possible that he did it deliberately. We shall never know.
Copeland leaned more to an accident, thinking the evidence for suicide, despite that being the official verdict, was rather thin, and did not take account of evidence that Turing could be clumsy in the laboratory, he was partial to eating an apple before going to bed and was known to absent-mindedly put the apple down in cyanide. However, Copeland gave more attention to the possibility of murder than Turing's first biographer, Andrew Hodges. If you wanted to make a murder scene look normal without actually knowing anything about the victim's habits, leaving shoes outside a door might be what you would do. But yes, we will never know.
Did he live in a flat in a block of flats or something? People don't leave their shoes outide in this country. Usually not even outside the door of a flat in an apartment building. It wouldn't be done. Leaving a pair of shoes outside would be an obvious message to anyone that the person is in their house. That should be completely clear. A murderer wouldn't do that because it would draw attention to the scene.
Turing was a codebreaker so he understood codes. Also he was as clever as I am. (that's a code, intended for mpaetz) So it was a code, intented to convey the fact that he had committed suicide.
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Atisbo wrote:
Turing did not usually kill himself either, as well as leaving his shoes outside. It's quite possible that he did it deliberately. We shall never know.
Copeland leaned more to an accident, thinking the evidence for suicide, despite that being the official verdict, was rather thin, and did not take account of evidence that Turing could be clumsy in the laboratory, he was partial to eating an apple before going to bed and was known to absent-mindedly put the apple down in cyanide. However, Copeland gave more attention to the possibility of murder than Turing's first biographer, Andrew Hodges. If you wanted to make a murder scene look normal without actually knowing anything about the victim's habits, leaving shoes outside a door might be what you would do. But yes, we will never know.
Did he live in a flat in a block of flats or something? People don't leave their shoes outide in this country. Usually not even outside the door of a flat in an apartment building. It wouldn't be done. Leaving a pair of shoes outside would be an obvious message to anyone that the person is in their house. That should be completely clear. A murderer wouldn't do that because it would draw attention to the scene.
Turing was a codebreaker so he understood codes. Also he was as clever as I am. (that's a code, intended for mpaetz) So it was a code, intented to convey the fact that he had committed suicide.
If you wanted to leave something to show you'd committed suicide a suicide note would do the job much better.
Codes are useful if you want to hide the information from someone. Who would he want to hide it from?
From reading the same book, though, my impression is that Turing's death was most likely an accident, not an assassination.
Assassination seems to me the least likely of the three options.
No codes required. Claims have repeatedly been staked openly. Demonstration of validity would be preferable to constant puffery.
Did he live in a flat in a block of flats or something? People don't leave their shoes outide in this country. Usually not even outside the door of a flat in an apartment building. It wouldn't be done. Leaving a pair of shoes outside would be an obvious message to anyone that the person is in their house. That should be completely clear. A murderer wouldn't do that because it would draw attention to the scene.
Turing was a codebreaker so he understood codes. Also he was as clever as I am. (that's a code, intended for mpaetz) So it was a code, intented to convey the fact that he had committed suicide.
An American airman in WW2 noted that leaving shoes outside was done in England. He put his own rather muddy shoes outside the door when he stayed somewhere outside his own base. They briefly went missing and he thought they had been stolen. It turned out they had been taken away to be cleaned.
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Optimissed wrote:
Atisbo wrote:
Turing did not usually kill himself either, as well as leaving his shoes outside. It's quite possible that he did it deliberately. We shall never know.
Copeland leaned more to an accident, thinking the evidence for suicide, despite that being the official verdict, was rather thin, and did not take account of evidence that Turing could be clumsy in the laboratory, he was partial to eating an apple before going to bed and was known to absent-mindedly put the apple down in cyanide. However, Copeland gave more attention to the possibility of murder than Turing's first biographer, Andrew Hodges. If you wanted to make a murder scene look normal without actually knowing anything about the victim's habits, leaving shoes outside a door might be what you would do. But yes, we will never know.
Did he live in a flat in a block of flats or something? People don't leave their shoes outide in this country. Usually not even outside the door of a flat in an apartment building. It wouldn't be done. Leaving a pair of shoes outside would be an obvious message to anyone that the person is in their house. That should be completely clear. A murderer wouldn't do that because it would draw attention to the scene.
Turing was a codebreaker so he understood codes. Also he was as clever as I am. (that's a code, intended for mpaetz) So it was a code, intented to convey the fact that he had committed suicide.
If you wanted to leave something to show you'd committed suicide a suicide note would do the job much better.
Codes are useful if you want to hide the information from someone. Who would he want to hide it from?
From reading the same book, though, my impression is that Turing's death was most likely an accident, not an assassination.
Assassination seems to me the least likely of the three options.
He was a codebreaker. He left the message that it was suicide and everything else is speculation.
Hodges, his first biographer, was of the opinion that he committed suicide but built some plausible deniability into it to spare his mother's feelings.
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Atisbo wrote:
Hodges, his first biographer, was of the opinion that he committed suicide but built some plausible deniability into it to spare his mother's feelings.
Yes it points to that. The shoes left outside was the suicide note, which his mother would probably not have understood. They also indicate the presence of mystery to someone who can't read the code.
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