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What's the Point of Draws?

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macer75
AquilaZeta wrote:
ubuntux wrote:

The second diagram shows a draw?

it is. you can check by setting up a board and playing with yourself

please try to choose your words more wisely next time

varelse1
ubuntux wrote:

The second diagram shows a draw?

That is a garaunteed draw, IF black plays it right.

SocialPanda

There is no point in draws, just half point for every player.

But seriously, I have gotten many draws  by perpetual check after I have sacrificed too much material and then realize that I can´t give checkmate or win enough material back.

varelse1

A draw may be the beautiful and logical result of fine attacks and parries; and the public ought to appreciate such games, in contrast, of course, to the fear-and-laziness draws. - Bent Larsen

mjh1991

Here's an example of my opponent using a draw to his advantage.  Just played a few mins ago.



zborg
ponz111 wrote:

With perfect play chess is a draw and sometimes hard to avoid a draw.

Draws against much stronger opponents (for example) should be SAVORED.

Your playing strength is improving, and your opponent leaves feeling like he lost.

That's sweet.  Q.E.D.   

alec42
PlaidPawn wrote:

Why would you want to have a draw? Wouldn't you want to just beat the other person and get a higher rating?

A draw may be forced if your opponent has a few seconds left and leaves you with only a Bishop or one Knight on the Board or bare Kings it's over, draws are forced due to repeition of the position.

Sometimes a draw is all a players needs to win a match Carl Schlechter once came within a whisker of winning the world championship leading by a point he only needed to play for a draw against Lasker but he went all out for the win  he lost his gamble the match was drawn so Emmanuel Lasker remained World Chess Champion.

Fate was very unkind to Carl Schlechter he continued to play and had high hopes of getting another crack at Lasker`s title but the first World War erupted and affectively ended his chess career then he died of malnutrition in 1918.

macer75
LuckySlevinsky wrote:
PlaidPawn wrote:

Why would you want to have a draw? Wouldn't you want to just beat the other person and get a higher rating?

So the same goes for football and other sport.What can you do.Sometimes it just happens.

Exactly. It's just like how the other 18 La Liga teams celebrate when they draw against barca or Real.

TKACHS

         Aren't the two sides of an algebra equation a draw?

Winning/Losing is just the inability for one side or the other to solve the imbalances in such complex equations. The one who solves it deeper and faster comes from a greater psychic knowlege of what's going on across the board. That's why many think Karpov was the closest to 'solving chess' when he was in his prime.

JMB2010
alec42 wrote:

Sometimes a draw is all a players needs to win a match Carl Schlechter once came within a whisker of winning the world championship leading by a point he only needed to play for a draw against Lasker but he went all out for the win  he lost his gamble the match was drawn so Emmanuel Lasker remained World Chess Champion.

Fate was very unkind to Carl Schlechter he continued to play and had high hopes of getting another crack at Lasker`s title but the first World War erupted and affectively ended his chess career then he died of malnutrition in 1918.

Wrong. Schlechter needed to win the match by 2 points, that's why he played all out for the win.

Swindlers_List

I often take make decisions that are safer and more likely to reach a draw against higher rated players.

A draw against someone higher=points, sure, ill get more if I win, but why risk it when a draw is easy.

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chess_gg wrote:

After a hundred and fifty moves, with equal strength on both sides remaining, who in their right mind would refuse a draw?

Someone(s)...I have no doubt. 

 

Even when is a theoretical draw, if your position is easier to play some players just keep pushing, for example:

 

http://www.chessbase.com/Home/TabId/211/PostId/4010278/210-move-drama-in-kiev-270613.aspx

FrodoPiano
AquilaZeta wrote:
ubuntux wrote:

The second diagram shows a draw?

it is. you can check by setting up a board and playing with yourself

Yes that is true. Look:



Irontiger
FrodoPiano wrote:
AquilaZeta wrote:
ubuntux wrote:

The second diagram shows a draw?

it is. you can check by setting up a board and playing with yourself

Yes that is true. Look:

 



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And in the original diagram, 6.Kc6 ! wins (5...Kc8 ??? -> 5...Kd8 ! =)

PlaidPawn
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FrodoPiano

I see. That makes sense. Thank you for correcting me.

macer75

I think this is about right.

Oonland

I like draws. Third partiers are cool!

tacticop

easier mate with 36 ... Bf3 ?

RedTag

What´s the point of draws? They can give you just as much pleasure as a win, especially if your opponent is up in material and gets in a bad mood after the forced draw. Example - I just played this 15 min game against the Scandinavian, fun attacking chess on both sides. I sacced a piece early on but then ran out of steam; realised however that a draw would be possible (thank you Mr. Silman for your endgame book!). Playing for and achieving the draw over the last 40 moves gave me nearly as much satisfaction as a win would have.