The ability to calculate is a skill important to both math and chess. But chess also requires pattern recognition, mental visualization and other skills not necessarily required to be good in math. When I coached a very successful high school team, many of my best players were NOT in higher-than-normal level math classes.
What's the relation between chess and math?
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Colin20G wrote:
Is it possible to build an universal Turing machine using only chess boards (seems the case if you allow a potentially infinite supply of them)?
It would legit to say that "maths is chess" then.
Refresh my memory what is Turing machine?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_machine
MickinMD wrote:
Okay but math is literally pattern recognition. Anyone who disagrees, hasn't run into integral calculus yet.
The ability to calculate is a skill important to both math and chess. But chess also requires pattern recognition, mental visualization and other skills not necessarily required to be good in math. When I coached a very successful high school team, many of my best players were NOT in higher-than-normal level math classes.
Is there a precise definition of "pattern recognition"?
Again, for math, there is not a critical importance to being able to calculate in one's head.
there is none
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I think the question about chess and math should be... Can chess improve Mathematical Ability? We know chess does not improve communication skills.
chess and mathematics are connected by timeless / acultural / amoral (neutral I means) logic.
apawndown schreef:
The "child prodigy" phenomenon occurs in three fields of endeavor: math, music, and chess. Of course this doesn't show any inherent relationship between chess and math (or music), but it's interesting. I think the answer may lie in the strong probability that in "doing" chess, math, or music, both sides of the brain are fully engaged. Einstein, for example, (whose physics was almost purely mathematical) said that his imagination was his most important faculty.
Yes I agree. I do not know if for example music is more related to chess then match or vice versa. But it could be.
luizpaulofigueiredo schreef:
Also, a simple explanation about the powers on the board is doing these powers multiplications throughout the 64 squares. You're going to be scared on the possibilities, Google about the chess' history including that rice and prize story.
Yes true but Me myself never consider so many possibilities and I look mostly only at one two or three moves. In my best games I look mostly at only one move the most moves I play. The more moves I take into consideration mostly leads to bad games that are inconsequent and contain the most mistakes.
Pythagoras is known by the Pythagorean theorem, but his real contribution is in music, when he discovered some patterns involving musical notes.
Chess and Music obey logical, spatial, periodic, geometric patterns ... Mathematics and chess is all about geometry, just as music can also be expressed geometrically or from mathematical formulas.
The ability to recognize patterns, identify them, predict them, create them, is used in music, chess, and math.
Superficially these 3 arts do not have much equivalence, but the intellectual effort to understand all of them proves to be the same!
bong711 escreveu:
Can we say studying Math > Music > Chess ? Chess seems least productive.
In the academy of Plato he considered mathematics the only fully human activity. For him to come into contact with the human essence, pure human spirit could only be made from the one purely human activity: mathematics.
This makes a lot of sense, since other activities like having sex, running, eating, etc. are also made by animals, the only thing that sets us apart from animals is language, and mathematical language being the purest of languages. The language we use to communicate with us takes as reference the concrete world, but mathematics can function within itself, it is almost like a metaphysical world, present only within the human's leeway or, to make it more 'mystical', being own soul of man!
Therefore, it is not about the study of mathematics, about the act of 'doing mathematics'. If the individual picks up a lot of challenging math questions and tries to solve them he will be 'doing math'.
Therefore, chess will also have this characteristic, since when calculating the best move in a position we are playing in a logical language that relates to the movements of the pieces and the rules of the game (with checkmate being the rule higher).
Yet, when we define how sounds are to be combined using something that is ours, from our own 'soul' (within the context exposed above), we are also exercising our humanity ...
I hope this has not gotten too abstract, but when you understand it, you understand a lot about the human being
bong711 escreveu:
Off topic. What is the relation of Math and Music?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0r9jd2KWNA
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-idkubp_Lw
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWzwb4BumIk
Geometry is a human construct. We can see a pine tree and represent it, mentally or graphically, through a triangle. And the ideal triangle is perfect, it is something that only man can recognize.
Music has its own geometry, and musical notes are not random. We do not choose what is music and what is not, music is not the same as sound or noise, music is music only when it has a well-defined geometric organization.
The way our minds are structured allows us to recognize / find / create these mathematical patterns everywhere, from the triangle from a pine to the perception of what is music and what not through sound vibrations. In the same way we are able to apply this in chess by recognizing what makes sense and what does not.
I think math is the LOGOS of nature, the essence of all things is in mathematics. Logos is translated into word or verb (in the beginning was the verb lol). It is believed that in the beginning there was only the creative order, mathematics, logic (logic is a word that comes from 'logos'), the essence that gives meaning and direction to all things ...
Dramatic, is not it? Hehehe
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