What’s wrong with GothamChess?

Anyone who has a youtube or twitch, especially if they have a large audience is automatically both clickbait and cringe because jealous viewers think that it's an easy job, get angry and wish they had the charisma or expertise to "Work from home".
Then they go to their "Real jobs", sulk for a bit and come back to talk with a vengeance.
it’s actually because he’s annoying, believe it or not

Anyone who has a youtube or twitch, especially if they have a large audience is automatically both clickbait and cringe because jealous viewers think that it's an easy job, get angry and wish they had the charisma or expertise to "Work from home".
Then they go to their "Real jobs", sulk for a bit and come back to talk with a vengeance.
it’s actually because he’s annoying, believe it or not
That's what I said.
The difference being you would like to blame the content creator instead of the offended.
It's the Chad vs Wizard meme in action.
excuse me what, I’m sorry I have no idea what you’re saying

also gothamchess preaches bad/trap openings which is just terrible for growth past a certain rating
- trompowsky- gives black equality and a million ways to set up
- vienna gambit- either gives black a better position or goes into a forcing endgame
- caro kan- not bad, just passive and not very challenging
- kings indian setup (agianst anything) its decent but you cant just use it without knowing what to do after you get your setup
- bird (ruy lopez) trash opening choice and gives white a easy initative + is just terrible for black
gotham preaches openings that are uncommon (THEY ARE UNCOMMON/RARE FOR A REASON) and just give themselves a worse position in hopes that their oppoment does not really know what they are doing, which is just hope chess

also gothamchess preaches bad/trap openings which is just terrible for growth past a certain rating
- trompowsky- gives black equality and a million ways to set up
- vienna gambit- either gives black a better position or goes into a forcing endgame
- caro kan- not bad, just passive and not very challenging
- kings indian setup (agianst anything) its decent but you cant just use it without knowing what to do after you get your setup
- bird (ruy lopez) trash opening choice and gives white a easy initative + is just terrible for black
gotham preaches openings that are uncommon (THEY ARE UNCOMMON/RARE FOR A REASON) and just give themselves a worse position in hopes that their oppoment does not really know what they are doing, which is just hope chess
Trompowsky is not bad. I personally don’t like it but it is actually a little underrated. And yea the birds Defense is trash and shouldn’t be played fr fr

I think that GothamChess is good for *entertainment* purposes... But if you're legitimately trying to get better at Chess, I really wouldn't recommend his videos. It would be a very slow way of improving.

also gothamchess preaches bad/trap openings which is just terrible for growth past a certain rating
- trompowsky- gives black equality and a million ways to set up
- vienna gambit- either gives black a better position or goes into a forcing endgame
- caro kan- not bad, just passive and not very challenging
- kings indian setup (agianst anything) its decent but you cant just use it without knowing what to do after you get your setup
- bird (ruy lopez) trash opening choice and gives white a easy initative + is just terrible for black
gotham preaches openings that are uncommon (THEY ARE UNCOMMON/RARE FOR A REASON) and just give themselves a worse position in hopes that their oppoment does not really know what they are doing, which is just hope chess
Trompowsky is not bad. I personally don’t like it but it is actually a little underrated. And yea the birds Defense is trash and shouldn’t be played fr fr
Yeah I agree with this, Trompowsky is underrated and deserves to be played every now & then

I think that GothamChess is good for *entertainment* purposes... But if you're legitimately trying to get better at Chess, I really wouldn't recommend his videos. It would be a very slow way of improving.
If you're trying to improve at chess why are you watching videos?
Unless you were going to try with rote memorization or other academic / clinical learning, which is the WORST thing you can do to try to improve at chess videos, as a medium can offer very little
Wdym? Prep is the most important thing in chess and that’s a fact. Your “self-assured opinions” are just bias 😂😂

oh wow bricky and March are perfect for each other 💀💀💀💀
glad I get to have a break and let this problem settle itself

I think that GothamChess is good for *entertainment* purposes... But if you're legitimately trying to get better at Chess, I really wouldn't recommend his videos. It would be a very slow way of improving.
If you're trying to improve at chess why are you watching videos?
Unless you were going to try with rote memorization or other academic / clinical learning, which is the WORST thing you can do to try to improve at chess videos, as a medium can offer very little
Wdym? Prep is the most important thing in chess and that’s a fact. Your “self-assured opinions” are just bias 😂😂
If it's important for someone, then that's already an admission that player was / is weak.
Prep is rendered / drawn on from a very different part of the brain than what is needed to perform chess, or to be focused / consistent for that matter.
Can it be a crutch for people who are doing it wrong? Probably, but it's harmful.
Kind of like how roids might make you lift more weight but you're still going to ruin your body and you're still trash at Gym
beginner-friendly openings like the Caro and the Vienna teach you opening principles and allow you to gain a wider view of tactical advantages, wdym it hinders your skill?

I think that GothamChess is good for *entertainment* purposes... But if you're legitimately trying to get better at Chess, I really wouldn't recommend his videos. It would be a very slow way of improving.
If you're trying to improve at chess why are you watching videos?
Unless you were going to try with rote memorization or other academic / clinical learning, which is the WORST thing you can do to try to improve at chess videos, as a medium can offer very little
Wdym? Prep is the most important thing in chess and that’s a fact. Your “self-assured opinions” are just bias 😂😂
If it's important for someone, then that's already an admission that player was / is weak.
Prep is rendered / drawn on from a very different part of the brain than what is needed to perform chess, or to be focused / consistent for that matter.
Can it be a crutch for people who are doing it wrong? Probably, but it's harmful.
Kind of like how roids might make you lift more weight but you're still going to ruin your body and you're still trash at Gym
beginner-friendly openings like the Caro and the Vienna teach you opening principles and allow you to gain a wider view of tactical advantages, wdym it hinders your skill?
If you're consulting any form of prep you already dropped the ball.
Again, rote memorization appeals to different neurons, and a different part of the mind than the lucid understanding / creative process needed to navigate complex tasks well, like any sport chess included.
Can it make a bad player perform better when it applies? Probably, but that bad player would be better off becoming a good player so that's irrelevant.
Prep is less return per investment than increasing aptitude or having healthier understanding.
It's like getting calories from junk food instead of complete proteins / vegetables.
It also is one step forward and two steps back, because you have to unlearn and decondition your prep if you want to actually get good.
If steroids ruin your body then prep ruins your mind. It's a commitment to mediocrity, some poison that might not even be recoverable.
It's something that would use up a person who could have been pretty good.
So? You can still practice your intuition while having prep lol
also you’re gonna get caught for cheating with your 100% winrate anyway

I think that GothamChess is good for *entertainment* purposes... But if you're legitimately trying to get better at Chess, I really wouldn't recommend his videos. It would be a very slow way of improving.
If you're trying to improve at chess why are you watching videos?
Unless you were going to try with rote memorization or other academic / clinical learning, which is the WORST thing you can do to try to improve at chess videos, as a medium can offer very little
Wdym? Prep is the most important thing in chess and that’s a fact. Your “self-assured opinions” are just bias 😂😂
If it's important for someone, then that's already an admission that player was / is weak.
Prep is rendered / drawn on from a very different part of the brain than what is needed to perform chess, or to be focused / consistent for that matter.
Can it be a crutch for people who are doing it wrong? Probably, but it's harmful.
Kind of like how roids might make you lift more weight but you're still going to ruin your body and you're still trash at Gym
beginner-friendly openings like the Caro and the Vienna teach you opening principles and allow you to gain a wider view of tactical advantages, wdym it hinders your skill?
If you're consulting any form of prep you already dropped the ball.
Again, rote memorization appeals to different neurons, and a different part of the mind than the lucid understanding / creative process needed to navigate complex tasks well, like any sport chess included.
Can it make a bad player perform better when it applies? Probably, but that bad player would be better off becoming a good player so that's irrelevant.
Prep is less return per investment than increasing aptitude or having healthier understanding.
It's like getting calories from junk food instead of complete proteins / vegetables.
It also is one step forward and two steps back, because you have to unlearn and decondition your prep if you want to actually get good.
If steroids ruin your body then prep ruins your mind. It's a commitment to mediocrity, some poison that might not even be recoverable.
It's something that would use up a person who could have been pretty good.
So? You can still practice your intuition while having prep lol
also you’re gonna get caught for cheating with your 100% winrate anyway
Nope, prep is only prep if it's used. And that implies you are consulting preprogrammed responses, like move orders and the reasoning named / attached to them.
I could tell you, from this forum, that E6 d5 motifs against 1.e4 openings are called the french defense, but it's not prep because it has nothing to do with operational inteligence, which I use to navigate chess.
It's the difference between craftsmanship and Artisanship, and the former can only be as good when it's a simple task (and completely solved)
You're kind of proving my point btw, I learned chess the day I made this account, and the first game I played was on this website, in fact, I have hardly played off site since I started and you're already accusing me of "Cheating".
You'll never be able to develop as quickly as I do, or connect with positions as well as long as you treat this game as if it was a state exam in public school, or some recipe to be baked.
And FYI, i'm not even that good at games. There are people who would come to chess and hit the ground running.
Prep usually goes away by move 10. That’s around 20 more intuitive moves to practice intuition. Your argument is absolutely invalid lol 💀

I think that GothamChess is good for *entertainment* purposes... But if you're legitimately trying to get better at Chess, I really wouldn't recommend his videos. It would be a very slow way of improving.
If you're trying to improve at chess why are you watching videos?
Unless you were going to try with rote memorization or other academic / clinical learning, which is the WORST thing you can do to try to improve at chess videos, as a medium can offer very little
Wdym? Prep is the most important thing in chess and that’s a fact. Your “self-assured opinions” are just bias 😂😂
If it's important for someone, then that's already an admission that player was / is weak.
Prep is rendered / drawn on from a very different part of the brain than what is needed to perform chess, or to be focused / consistent for that matter.
Can it be a crutch for people who are doing it wrong? Probably, but it's harmful.
Kind of like how roids might make you lift more weight but you're still going to ruin your body and you're still trash at Gym
beginner-friendly openings like the Caro and the Vienna teach you opening principles and allow you to gain a wider view of tactical advantages, wdym it hinders your skill?
If you're consulting any form of prep you already dropped the ball.
Again, rote memorization appeals to different neurons, and a different part of the mind than the lucid understanding / creative process needed to navigate complex tasks well, like any sport chess included.
Can it make a bad player perform better when it applies? Probably, but that bad player would be better off becoming a good player so that's irrelevant.
Prep is less return per investment than increasing aptitude or having healthier understanding.
It's like getting calories from junk food instead of complete proteins / vegetables.
It also is one step forward and two steps back, because you have to unlearn and decondition your prep if you want to actually get good.
If steroids ruin your body then prep ruins your mind. It's a commitment to mediocrity, some poison that might not even be recoverable.
It's something that would use up a person who could have been pretty good.
So? You can still practice your intuition while having prep lol
also you’re gonna get caught for cheating with your 100% winrate anyway
Nope, prep is only prep if it's used. And that implies you are consulting preprogrammed responses, like move orders and the reasoning named / attached to them.
I could tell you, from this forum, that E6 d5 motifs against 1.e4 openings are called the french defense, but it's not prep because it has nothing to do with operational inteligence, which I use to navigate chess.
It's the difference between craftsmanship and Artisanship, and the former can only be as good when it's a simple task (and completely solved)
You're kind of proving my point btw, I learned chess the day I made this account, and the first game I played was on this website, in fact, I have hardly played off site since I started and you're already accusing me of "Cheating".
You'll never be able to develop as quickly as I do, or connect with positions as well as long as you treat this game as if it was a state exam in public school, or some recipe to be baked.
And FYI, i'm not even that good at games. There are people who would come to chess and hit the ground running.
Prep usually goes away by move 10. That’s around 20 more intuitive moves to practice intuition. Your argument is absolutely invalid lol 💀
You underestimate how conditioning works, If you derive any moves from prep you've already damaged how your brain approaches problems or the game.
I'm not going to lecture you about neurology but I will say that it's not possible to prep and become more than mediocre at a sport / game.
Original sin memes apply.
Okay, beat GothamChess for me, then.

I think that GothamChess is good for *entertainment* purposes... But if you're legitimately trying to get better at Chess, I really wouldn't recommend his videos. It would be a very slow way of improving.
If you're trying to improve at chess why are you watching videos?
Unless you were going to try with rote memorization or other academic / clinical learning, which is the WORST thing you can do to try to improve at chess videos, as a medium can offer very little
Wdym? Prep is the most important thing in chess and that’s a fact. Your “self-assured opinions” are just bias 😂😂
If it's important for someone, then that's already an admission that player was / is weak.
Prep is rendered / drawn on from a very different part of the brain than what is needed to perform chess, or to be focused / consistent for that matter.
Can it be a crutch for people who are doing it wrong? Probably, but it's harmful.
Kind of like how roids might make you lift more weight but you're still going to ruin your body and you're still trash at Gym
beginner-friendly openings like the Caro and the Vienna teach you opening principles and allow you to gain a wider view of tactical advantages, wdym it hinders your skill?
If you're consulting any form of prep you already dropped the ball.
Again, rote memorization appeals to different neurons, and a different part of the mind than the lucid understanding / creative process needed to navigate complex tasks well, like any sport chess included.
Can it make a bad player perform better when it applies? Probably, but that bad player would be better off becoming a good player so that's irrelevant.
Prep is less return per investment than increasing aptitude or having healthier understanding.
It's like getting calories from junk food instead of complete proteins / vegetables.
It also is one step forward and two steps back, because you have to unlearn and decondition your prep if you want to actually get good.
If steroids ruin your body then prep ruins your mind. It's a commitment to mediocrity, some poison that might not even be recoverable.
It's something that would use up a person who could have been pretty good.
So? You can still practice your intuition while having prep lol
also you’re gonna get caught for cheating with your 100% winrate anyway
Nope, prep is only prep if it's used. And that implies you are consulting preprogrammed responses, like move orders and the reasoning named / attached to them.
I could tell you, from this forum, that E6 d5 motifs against 1.e4 openings are called the french defense, but it's not prep because it has nothing to do with operational inteligence, which I use to navigate chess.
It's the difference between craftsmanship and Artisanship, and the former can only be as good when it's a simple task (and completely solved)
You're kind of proving my point btw, I learned chess the day I made this account, and the first game I played was on this website, in fact, I have hardly played off site since I started and you're already accusing me of "Cheating".
You'll never be able to develop as quickly as I do, or connect with positions as well as long as you treat this game as if it was a state exam in public school, or some recipe to be baked.
And FYI, i'm not even that good at games. There are people who would come to chess and hit the ground running.
Prep usually goes away by move 10. That’s around 20 more intuitive moves to practice intuition. Your argument is absolutely invalid lol 💀
You underestimate how conditioning works, If you derive any moves from prep you've already damaged how your brain approaches problems or the game.
I'm not going to lecture you about neurology but I will say that it's not possible to prep and become more than mediocre at a sport / game.
Original sin memes apply.
Okay, beat GothamChess for me, then.
You're going to put your hopes and expectations on an entertainer?
That's like a starcraft player pointing to Husky or Lowko instead of Maru and Serral.
If chess is such a prep heavy game, or at least thought to be you could have dropped better names.
/s
The point is that, still being a good player, he’s not a top player with insane talent, yet he can still crush you in a game.

I think that GothamChess is good for *entertainment* purposes... But if you're legitimately trying to get better at Chess, I really wouldn't recommend his videos. It would be a very slow way of improving.
If you're trying to improve at chess why are you watching videos?
Unless you were going to try with rote memorization or other academic / clinical learning, which is the WORST thing you can do to try to improve at chess videos, as a medium can offer very little
Wdym? Prep is the most important thing in chess and that’s a fact. Your “self-assured opinions” are just bias 😂😂
If it's important for someone, then that's already an admission that player was / is weak.
Prep is rendered / drawn on from a very different part of the brain than what is needed to perform chess, or to be focused / consistent for that matter.
Can it be a crutch for people who are doing it wrong? Probably, but it's harmful.
Kind of like how roids might make you lift more weight but you're still going to ruin your body and you're still trash at Gym
beginner-friendly openings like the Caro and the Vienna teach you opening principles and allow you to gain a wider view of tactical advantages, wdym it hinders your skill?
If you're consulting any form of prep you already dropped the ball.
Again, rote memorization appeals to different neurons, and a different part of the mind than the lucid understanding / creative process needed to navigate complex tasks well, like any sport chess included.
Can it make a bad player perform better when it applies? Probably, but that bad player would be better off becoming a good player so that's irrelevant.
Prep is less return per investment than increasing aptitude or having healthier understanding.
It's like getting calories from junk food instead of complete proteins / vegetables.
It also is one step forward and two steps back, because you have to unlearn and decondition your prep if you want to actually get good.
If steroids ruin your body then prep ruins your mind. It's a commitment to mediocrity, some poison that might not even be recoverable.
It's something that would use up a person who could have been pretty good.
So? You can still practice your intuition while having prep lol
also you’re gonna get caught for cheating with your 100% winrate anyway
Nope, prep is only prep if it's used. And that implies you are consulting preprogrammed responses, like move orders and the reasoning named / attached to them.
I could tell you, from this forum, that E6 d5 motifs against 1.e4 openings are called the french defense, but it's not prep because it has nothing to do with operational inteligence, which I use to navigate chess.
It's the difference between craftsmanship and Artisanship, and the former can only be as good when it's a simple task (and completely solved)
You're kind of proving my point btw, I learned chess the day I made this account, and the first game I played was on this website, in fact, I have hardly played off site since I started and you're already accusing me of "Cheating".
You'll never be able to develop as quickly as I do, or connect with positions as well as long as you treat this game as if it was a state exam in public school, or some recipe to be baked.
And FYI, i'm not even that good at games. There are people who would come to chess and hit the ground running.
Prep usually goes away by move 10. That’s around 20 more intuitive moves to practice intuition. Your argument is absolutely invalid lol 💀
You underestimate how conditioning works, If you derive any moves from prep you've already damaged how your brain approaches problems or the game.
I'm not going to lecture you about neurology but I will say that it's not possible to prep and become more than mediocre at a sport / game.
Original sin memes apply.
Okay, beat GothamChess for me, then.
You're going to put your hopes and expectations on an entertainer?
That's like a starcraft player pointing to Husky or Lowko instead of Maru and Serral.
If chess is such a prep heavy game, or at least thought to be you could have dropped better names.
/s
The point is that, still being a good player, he’s not a top player with insane talent, yet he can still crush you in a game.
I doubt anyone who leans into prep or thinks about the game that way can outscale me, even with me being so casual about chess.
Either I can beat them now, or I can beat them in the, what you would consider unthinkably, near future.
And I will take that statement a step further, and say i'm not even some games Wiz, there are people WAY better suited to this sort of thing than I am.
Alright, play 50 rapid games right now and see if you keep your 100% win rate against opponents with prep. Consult a neurologist to confirm your statement, even!

gothamchess is 2300
he could be higher but similarly to rapport (rapport is actually talented compared to this guy) he just plays trash/poor openings in hopes that his oppoment does not know what hes doing
this type of play has been engraved in the average chess.com player. i no longer see open sicilians/ d4-c4 in my games anymore, they are filled with london/italian system, or a alapin setup agianst everything, or playing a3-h3, or making a pawn pyramind with 1.d4 2.c3.3.e3 or just some other opening where they fool around with random piece moves
like my accuracy and play strength used to be much higher UNTILL i had to adapt to these dummies and ive had to slowly adapt to play like one of these guys so i can stay afloat at my level
ive beaten people way higher than my level before but due to whats been happening the paragraph before now i truly perform my level

I think that GothamChess is good for *entertainment* purposes... But if you're legitimately trying to get better at Chess, I really wouldn't recommend his videos. It would be a very slow way of improving.
If you're trying to improve at chess why are you watching videos?
Unless you were going to try with rote memorization or other academic / clinical learning, which is the WORST thing you can do to try to improve at chess videos, as a medium can offer very little
Wdym? Prep is the most important thing in chess and that’s a fact. Your “self-assured opinions” are just bias 😂😂
If it's important for someone, then that's already an admission that player was / is weak.
Prep is rendered / drawn on from a very different part of the brain than what is needed to perform chess, or to be focused / consistent for that matter.
Can it be a crutch for people who are doing it wrong? Probably, but it's harmful.
Kind of like how roids might make you lift more weight but you're still going to ruin your body and you're still trash at Gym
beginner-friendly openings like the Caro and the Vienna teach you opening principles and allow you to gain a wider view of tactical advantages, wdym it hinders your skill?
If you're consulting any form of prep you already dropped the ball.
Again, rote memorization appeals to different neurons, and a different part of the mind than the lucid understanding / creative process needed to navigate complex tasks well, like any sport chess included.
Can it make a bad player perform better when it applies? Probably, but that bad player would be better off becoming a good player so that's irrelevant.
Prep is less return per investment than increasing aptitude or having healthier understanding.
It's like getting calories from junk food instead of complete proteins / vegetables.
It also is one step forward and two steps back, because you have to unlearn and decondition your prep if you want to actually get good.
If steroids ruin your body then prep ruins your mind. It's a commitment to mediocrity, some poison that might not even be recoverable.
It's something that would use up a person who could have been pretty good.
So? You can still practice your intuition while having prep lol
also you’re gonna get caught for cheating with your 100% winrate anyway
Nope, prep is only prep if it's used. And that implies you are consulting preprogrammed responses, like move orders and the reasoning named / attached to them.
I could tell you, from this forum, that E6 d5 motifs against 1.e4 openings are called the french defense, but it's not prep because it has nothing to do with operational inteligence, which I use to navigate chess.
It's the difference between craftsmanship and Artisanship, and the former can only be as good when it's a simple task (and completely solved)
You're kind of proving my point btw, I learned chess the day I made this account, and the first game I played was on this website, in fact, I have hardly played off site since I started and you're already accusing me of "Cheating".
You'll never be able to develop as quickly as I do, or connect with positions as well as long as you treat this game as if it was a state exam in public school, or some recipe to be baked.
And FYI, i'm not even that good at games. There are people who would come to chess and hit the ground running.
Prep usually goes away by move 10. That’s around 20 more intuitive moves to practice intuition. Your argument is absolutely invalid lol 💀
You underestimate how conditioning works, If you derive any moves from prep you've already damaged how your brain approaches problems or the game.
I'm not going to lecture you about neurology but I will say that it's not possible to prep and become more than mediocre at a sport / game.
Original sin memes apply.
Okay, beat GothamChess for me, then.
You're going to put your hopes and expectations on an entertainer?
That's like a starcraft player pointing to Husky or Lowko instead of Maru and Serral.
If chess is such a prep heavy game, or at least thought to be you could have dropped better names.
/s
The point is that, still being a good player, he’s not a top player with insane talent, yet he can still crush you in a game.
I doubt anyone who leans into prep or thinks about the game that way can outscale me, even with me being so casual about chess.
Either I can beat them now, or I can beat them in the, what you would consider unthinkably, near future.
And I will take that statement a step further, and say i'm not even some games Wiz, there are people WAY better suited to this sort of thing than I am.
Alright, play 50 rapid games right now and see if you keep your 100% win rate against opponents with prep. Consult a neurologist to confirm your statement, even!
You may investigate your own curiosities.
I would eagerly like to hear the source of your argument.
guys paper_llama is a generally grumpy dude, just ignore him
but its funny seeing the hate hes given