When did chess get to Europe?

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kleelof

Looks like dad might be a returning contestant.

MuhammadAreez10

Lol! Conspicuous dad.

kleelof

yeah you're just as clever as ever halitosis or whatever name you're using this week. 

Pulpofeira

What you play here (except for the 960 thing) was invented in Spain, Valencia to be precise, just as the paella. And for once I'm totally serious.

MuhammadAreez10

And proud.

kleelof

I play chess because I'm a gluten for pain.

MuhammadAreez10

What was the need for the racist remark dad?

Pulpofeira

If so, dad143, I suppose I can call you asshole with total impunity.

adumbrate

After I time travelled to tell them about chess

Barry_Helafonte2

it is quite possible that chess was one of the things that Columbus brought back from America

kleelof
bluejars wrote:

it is quite possible that chess was one of the things that Columbus brought back from America

 

The only thing Columbus brought back from the Americas is a bunch of whitebread guys who didn't like white chicks any longer.

 

Ziryab
kleelof wrote:
bluejars wrote:

it is quite possible that chess was one of the things that Columbus brought back from America

 

The only thing Columbus brought back from the Americas is a bunch of whitebread guys who didn't like white chicks any longer.

 

 

and also tobacco, a few slaves, samples of several plants unknown in Europe, a few birds, descriptions of other fauna. His voyages stimulated exchanges, now called the Columbian Exchange, that gave tomatoes to Italy, potatoes to Ireland, chilis to Thailand, chocolate to the French, and tumble weeds and smallpox to the Americas.

universityofpawns

 dadadadadadadadada....Batgirl.....thank you I enjoy your posts!

Barry_Helafonte2

wasn't chess invented in Europe?

if it was invented in Asia, then it is possible that people learned about the game during the spice trade.

I heard that meat in Europe was really bland tasting and the peasants were tired of eating salted meat.  So they met and voted and ask their Kings to get spices for their meat.

consequently the kings ordered the spice trade to occur.  Wool clothes and wine were traded with the Asians for black peppers and other spices.  it is said that pepper was worth its wait in gold.

then maybe the knowledge of chess was also given during the trade.

after they got the spices, then they were able to make flavorful meat and cold cuts.  that is how salami was born.

Ziryab

822 I brought it.

 

universityofpawns

Good Batgirl question: The Lewis "chessmen" were probably made in Trondheim, Norway, about AD 1150-1200....most look like the modern game, but what is a warder???

http://www.britishmuseum.org/about_us/news_and_press/statements/the_lewis_chessmen.aspx

 

batgirl

An ancient rook.

e.g:

 

"ANCIENT CHESS-MEN"  by Albert Way. 1846

"In the cabinet of antiquities in the Bibliothéque Royale at Paris, there are a few chess-men of the same period, and of one of these, a warder, or rook, Mr. Shaw has given a representation in his Dresses and Decorations. In the same museum may be seen a portion of the “jeu d’eschets,” presented by Charlemagne to the abbey of St. Denis, and inscribed with Cufic characters.

 

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Two chess-knights and a warder, hitherto undescribed, of great curiosity as examples of military costume, have been preserved in our own country. The most ancient is a warder, formed of the tusk of the walrus; (?) it was presented to the Society of Antiquaries of Scotland by Lord Macdonald, and formed part of an assemblage of remarkable objects of antiquity, liberally communicated by the Council of that Society for exhibition at the recent Annual Meeting of the Institute at York. It is of somewhat later date than the Lewis chess-men, and appears to have been carved towards the close of the twelfth, or early in the thirteenth century. The warder is represented in like manner as those Icelandic specimens, with sword drawn, and the shield on the arm. On either side of the piece is an armed figure, emerging from intertwined foliage of remarkable design; these warriors are clad apparently in mail, the rings being expressed by a conventional mode of representation, namely, by rows of deep punctures, with intervening parallel lines. The shield of one of them exhibits a bearing, bendy of two colours, the diapering of the alternate bends being expressed by punctures, and there is a broad bordure, which may be noticed also on several of the pieces found in the Hebrides. The other shield presents a flour de lys dimidiated, on a field diapered with fretté lines. It may be doubtful whether these were properly armorial bearings, but it deserves notice that one of the Lewis knights has a shield party per pale, the sinister side being fretté. Both shields in the piece here represented have this singularity of form, that their points are cut bluntly off, instead of being prolonged to an acute apex, as usual at the period. There is no appearance of plate-armour; the head is protected by the coiffe de mailles, and the legs by chausses of the like armour. This curious warder measures in height three inches and five-eighths."