when does the endgame start?

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Thanks, I’ve heard middle game begins once the rooks are connected, so I suspect end game is when every piece on the back rank has come off the back rank.

Subtopic, what is the criteria chess.com has for a ‘brilliant move’?
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Zjlm1015 wrote:
Thanks, I’ve heard middle game begins once the rooks are connected, so I suspect end game is when every piece on the back rank has come off the back rank.

Subtopic, what is the criteria chess.com has for a ‘brilliant move’?

 

Endgames are usually when there are few pieces on the board, often when the major pieces have been traded off, though that isn't necessary. There really isn't a hard and fast definition.

 

Regarding what constitutes a brilliant move here, I don't believe any staff have ever said. 

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That is subjective, but when the king goes from defense to offense is a pretty good indicator that the end is near.

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Would you then like the idea of all the pieces being moved off the back rank as the way to define it? As that would typically indicate offensive movements from the King.

And as far as the criteria, im open to hear ideas or thoughts of what that criteria may be. It’s fun to consider, and it should be understood
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Zjlm1015 wrote:
Would you then like the idea of all the pieces being moved off the back rank as the way to define it? As that would typically indicate offensive movements from the King.

And as far as the criteria, im open to hear ideas or thoughts of what that criteria may be. It’s fun to consider, and it should be understood

 

If most of the pieces are on the board still, it's not an endgame.

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I'll copy paste my answer from here:
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/when-does-middlegame-switch-to-endgame?

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There's no quick and easy definition that works for all cases. In general it's when there's not enough pieces to threaten a direct checkmate, so the game takes on a strategic character where players maneuver to advance their pawn majority and/or target weak enemy pawns. Often the kings are safe to come to the middle and participate in the fight.

As a few counter examples, you'll hear people say "the Berlin endgame" as early as move 9 when it's definitely not safe to bring the kings out yet, and also a Q+R vs Q+R endgame you'll still want your king tucked away behind pawns.

So some positions linger between a late middlegame and early endgame... but yeah, I'd say it's the endgame when both players are more concerned with eventually queening a pawn than with any ideas of checkmate.

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I like that answer llama47, great points
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Whenever there are about 3-4 pieces (Rooks/Bishops/Knights) Normally Queens are traded or everything is traded but queens.

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this is how Mednis defines it in "from middle game into endgame" of course the big caveat its subjective. 

 

 

Avatar of NikkiLikeChikki
I’ve heard a couple of GMs say that a good rule of thumb is when more than 12 points of pieces (not including pawns) are off the board. *shrug* The better answer is you know it when you see it.
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When the middle game is over.

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When the middlegame ends. 

I hope this helps, good luck.

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eliothowell wrote:

When the middle game is over.

Dagnabbit elio, u beat me to it. I hadn't even read any of the responses, it was just my first thought when seeing the title.

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This is when the endgame starts. It's the point you reach in the game where you want to use however many pieces you have to win the game. This is how all endgames start.

 

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Its starts when infinity war ends
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thanushChess wrote:

this is how Mednis defines it in "from middle game into endgame" of course the big caveat its subjective. 

 

 

 

Wow, who is this author?

"Central factors are not of particular significance"

One sentence later:

"The king should be centralized and utilized as a potentially valuable attacker"

Plus there an enormous number of middlegames that meet all 3 standards... very poorly written.

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Oh, I see, Edmar Mednis.

Hard to understand how he could write something like that.

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