When will I stop improving?

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Marie-AnneLiz
Immaculate_Slayer a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz escreveu:
Immaculate_Slayer a écrit :

How can you claim that? Did you watch all chess players studying everyday for 3 years?

Name one person that is not a professional and that is here on this site that you think that he did study 6 hours a day for 3 consecutive years?

Use your common sense! 

Dude... If you study 6 hours a day for 3 years you just become a professional... What the hell do you even mean

Not even close! it take a lot more than 3 years to get an FM title!

The average FIDE Master  took at the very least 6 years minimum.

Immaculate_Slayer
Marie-AnneLiz escreveu:
Immaculate_Slayer a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz escreveu:

How can you claim that i'm wrong,did you watch interviews from a dozen IM and experts and some of the best teens in the last 5 years telling their progress from their start to their actual rating ,because i did! I'm not a kid like you i was playing chess when you were not even a cell.

Dude, if you have an argument that you can't prove you're just wrong. It's not me who has to prove anything. Also from what I know Kasparov said he'd study 8 hours a day, Abhi Mishra said he'd study like 12 hours a day sometimes and Bobby studied literally all the time according to his family, so... Yeah

That is not what we are talking about here;we are talking about the average or above average player on an internet site!

Not the best GM in the world!

Stay in the context of this site and this forum and look at the question the guy asked.

 

Dude, if you dedicate 6 hours a day for 3 years you will become a professional. That's just the logic.

Also, just because someone will keep annoying me with "stay in the topic" doesn't mean I can't answer someone's arguments against my ideas.

Immaculate_Slayer
Marie-AnneLiz escreveu:
Immaculate_Slayer a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz escreveu:
Immaculate_Slayer a écrit :

How can you claim that? Did you watch all chess players studying everyday for 3 years?

Name one person that is not a professional and that is here on this site that you think that he did study 6 hours a day for 3 consecutive years?

Use your common sense! 

Dude... If you study 6 hours a day for 3 years you just become a professional... What the hell do you even mean

Not even close! it take a lot more than 3 years to get an FM title!

The average FIDE Master  took at the very least 6 years minimum.

You don't have to be a FM to be a professional.

Marie-AnneLiz

There tends to be a burnout effect that happens at around 20 hours per week of chess study.

You are right you can sell bananas even if you are rated 1200.

OneThousandEightHundred18

Something about this is suspicious. At the very least it's weird you have more than 1 active account which I don't think is allowed. Some of your games have absurd accuracy and your "original" account has an absurd win/loss ratio. Also has played up to 29 10-minute games in a single day which would take like 5-9 hours depending on move times.

Idk. I'm not buying it. I feel like you're doing something against fair play rules but maybe not all the time. I could be wrong but I definitely think someone who's opinion matters should investigate.

 

 

Immaculate_Slayer
Marie-AnneLiz escreveu:

There tends to be a burnout effect that happens at around 20 hours per week of chess study.

You are right you can sell bananas even if you are rated 1200.

This is completely idiotic and disrespectful to most of chess teachers, trainers and arbiters out there. So many strong players that haven't got FIDE titles but are still respectable, so many CMs and NMs that have thaught even the best players in the world. I'm blocking you and not talking to you anymore. You have no idea of what differentiates a strong player and a good chess professional.

Marie-AnneLiz

I consider 2300s to be semi-professional level, and 2400+ to be at least that.  If you are in the 2300s and active in tournament chess you are probably not just playing solely for fun.

Marie-AnneLiz

 Some players who are IMs and even GMs but only have 2400-2500 make living soley through playing chess as well as other chess related activities, teaching, organizing tournaments etc.

I think is generally agreed that anyone below the level of 2200 is considered to be an amateur chess player. There is even an organization that plays an annual best amateur chess tournament and one of the requirements is that all players must be below 2200 to participate.

ejkilroy

I'm strong and I'm worried about plateaus

Marie-AnneLiz
atharva011 a écrit :

It's said that to become a professional at any sport you need to have 10000 hours dedicated to it.

Very very few can study 6 hours per day and the time is not what is the most important.

The important point that many chess players are missing is not necessarily for how long you need to study, but how and what exactly to study. You can spend many hours on chess; get completely exhausted and not improve much. It is more important to focus on the quality element of your training, and not on the raw time you are spending.

To study for 6 hours per day and you will follow my advice and totally collapse after first 2 hours of training, the remaining 4 hours will be just a waste. It will probably have some sort of negative consequences for your health and your view of chess in general.

 

Marie-AnneLiz
atharva011 a écrit :

Considering breaks, 6 hours a day for lets say, 333 days (holidays) for 3 years is 10000 hours. Hence my logic.

The quality of training is much more important than quantity 

And you need the money and the coach and the tournaments

And the passion and the time and the psychological support 

And the talent and not to be too old.

ejkilroy

Yeah coaches help happy.png also short consistent efforts are the easiest way to study 

Marie-AnneLiz
evanthewalrus a écrit :

Yeah coaches help also short consistent efforts are the easiest way to study 

Only a good coach will help because some are really useless.

ejkilroy

That's why you should hire me happy.png

RichColorado

You will NEVER stop improving . . .


maxkho2
llama47 wrote:
maxkho2 wrote:

When can I realistically expect it to stop for me? And once it has stopped, what will I have to do to get even better? Furthermore, what do you think the absolute upper bound is on when I will reach my equilibrium point, and what will it take to have a chance of reaching that upper bound?

For reference, at the time of posting, my rating is 2200 on chess.com, and I have never played rated OTB.

If you look at rating graphs pretty much everyone follows the same pattern, but some end up higher than others. Since that point different for everyone no one can tell you where you'll end up.

To keep improving after stalling you'll have to study each area of the game and become a well rounded player both in knowledge and the types of positions you're able to do well in. The broad topics to study are openings, endgames, strategy, and tactics. As far as being well rounded in performance, if the position requires you to attack can you do that? How about defend? A long maneuvering middlegame? How about an endgame? etc.

Your rate of improvement is well above average, so be encouraged and see how high you can go

Thanks a lot for this answer! Unlike almost everybody else in the thread, you actually tried addressing every one of my questions, which I greatly appreciate. Your initial comment is especially intriguing, as I never thought about it this way. It's an interesting observation.

To answer your question about well-roundedness, yes I can attack, yes I can play a long manoeuvring middlegame (more or less), yes I can play an endgame (if given enough time to think), but hell no can I not defend to save my life. My tactics could also use some improvement. So it seems like my pathway to further improvement is pretty clearly cut out even after I do eventually hit that plateau ─ it will just be a matter of finding the right resources at that point.

Once again, thanks for the encouraging words and for your answer!

maxkho2
llama47 wrote:
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

How many get to 2200 OTB in 2 years? one in a million?

Maybe less, but yeah, that's about right.

But OTB is different. @b1zmark got up to 2300 blitz and 2200 rapid pretty quickly, but then at first couldn't get past 1700 OTB and is currently 1800. Obviously he has potential to improve very quickly there too, but (obviously) there are some different skill sets.

I think this is a case of just getting used to OTB and adjusting to the Classical way of thinking ─ a phase which I will in all likelihood initially have to go through as well. But I think it's pretty clear that, if he keeps playing OTB, he won't stay at that rating for long. 

maxkho2
1818-1828271 wrote:

Something about this is suspicious. At the very least it's weird you have more than 1 active account which I don't think is allowed. Some of your games have absurd accuracy and your "original" account has an absurd win/loss ratio. Also has played up to 29 10-minute games in a single day which would take like 5-9 hours depending on move times.

Idk. I'm not buying it. I feel like you're doing something against fair play rules but maybe not all the time. I could be wrong but I definitely think someone who's opinion matters should investigate.

 

 

Indeed, I do have more than 1 active account (in fact, I have quite a few). I mostly use them when I'm in the best state for rated chess (e.g. I'm sleepy or want to try out some dubious stuff); however, given that my original account most often lags behind by at least 400 points when I use it, I still have a very high win rate for obvious reasons.

As to my accuracy, yeah, the accuracy for my Rapid games has shot up on my journey to 2200. I'm even currently on a streak of like 15 Rapid games where 80% of them have 95+% accuracy. Some of those high-accuracy games are quite weird, though, as they are full of blunders, but for some reason the engine just ignores them lol.

29 Rapid games in a day? That's not even my personal record. How about 1100 Blitz games in 3 days? Yeah, I literally played 72 hours non-stop, not eating, not sleeping. That only happened one time and I have promised myself not to do something like that again, but I do have a tendency of having very loaded chess days but also very chess-free off days, the latter of which constitute an overwhelming majority.

Anyone who has expertise in cheat detection is welcome to investigate my profile. Unfortunately, I'm afraid you'll just be wasting your time as I have not cheated to get to where I am.

ejkilroy

@llama47 Bizmark is clearly stronger than 1800 what are you talking about

OneThousandEightHundred18

All I have to say, if you are legit, is do you have any hobbies, goals, school, a job, outside of chess? Because it's incredibly unlikely it will ever pay off financially, or socially, or really do anything good for your life unless you find some niche way to market yourself like streaming, which is still a long-shot. Your improvement and dedication is impressive but also concerning and unbalanced.

I could also think of ways someone could cheat without playing the best stockfish moves and avoid detection. So I haven't ruled out that you're a troll. If you truly are legit you should take that as a compliment because you are a serious outlier, and you're bound to keep improving as long as you don't burn out and find the right study materials. Whether you should or not is the real question...