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aklikhineattack

Which is better?? knight or bishop???  There both worth 3 pts.  P.S I like Knight better.

. If equal which is better in the endgame middle game or opening. 

                                                                           THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The relative values already tell you the average value. Opening to endgame, they're equal. Kauffman did some stats where he came up with 1/50th of a pawn difference.

Moving on from the absolute basics of relative values, you try to judge each piece's value by the position. For example mobility or being in contact with important defensive or offense points (or having the ability to come into contact with these points in the future).

Strong players like to talk about things like the bishop pair, or bishops being better in endgames, or knights being better with more pawns on the board, which are not untrue, but IMO it's very misleading. All these strong players will also not hesitate to exchange a bishop for a knight even extremely early in the game. Their value simply depends on the specific position they're in.

Notice that this also means 1 knight may not be worth the same as another knight. Often all 8 minor pieces are at slightly different values, and these values change as the game goes on.

ArgoNavis

I prefer the queen

BlargDragon

Irrelevant. They will both kneel before Zod.

Diakonia
aklikhineattack wrote:

Which is better?? knight or bishop???  There both worth 3 pts.  P.S I like Knight better.

. If equal which is better in the endgame middle game or opening. 

                                                                           THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Depends on the position.

DoctorStrange

Depends on the position. 
 

BrandonLG

i hope all of you realize that bishop is better, it is actually is well known fact. thats why you would never trade a bishop for a knight

BlargDragon

Neither is better than a Burger King Croissanwich.

Diakonia
brandonLG wrote:

i hope all of you realize that bishop is better, it is actually is well known fact. thats why you would never trade a bishop for a knight

Completely and totally incorrect.

BrandonLG
Diakonia wrote:
brandonLG wrote:

i hope all of you realize that bishop is better, it is actually is well known fact. thats why you would never trade a bishop for a knight

Completely and totally incorrect.

have you ever seen a grandmaster trade a bishop for a knight without changing the position so it favors a side?

SilentKnighte5

Bishops are obviously better.  You never see any GMs talking about how great the knight pair is.

ReddyJ

in closed games, knights. Open games, bishops

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SilentKnighte5 wrote:

Bishops are obviously better.  You never see any GMs talking about how great the knight pair is.

One of the moments I loled when watching chessexplained on youtube was when he described himself as a bishop pair junky, and then in the very next video (in a position where it wasn't clear to me at all that this was correct) he quickly played Bg4 and Bxf3 heh.

So to be a little more specific: the bishop pair is great... in positions where you can make use of it. The point being that if you can't see its value for yourself in the current position, then better to not pretend it exists.

solskytz

Check out this game - and please ignore my blundering of the queen. I did win later - on time. 

https://www.chess.com/livechess/game?id=1582197214

On move 13, black plants a very disturbing knight on f4. It is better than any bishop there - and I will do everything to extract it from that square. 

On move 15, it becomes clear that a white knight would be extremely valuable on f5 - again, much stronger than any bishop. 

After that, my knight becomes an extra piece - and in that K-side pawn setup, a knight is more trouble than a bishop, I suppose. 

weggman

aklikhineattack wrote:

Which is better?? knight or bishop???  There both worth 3 pts.  P.S I like Knight better.

. If equal which is better in the endgame middle game or opening. 

                                                                           THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

aklikhineattack wrote: Which is better?? knight or bishop???  There both worth 3 pts.  P.S I like Knight better.. If equal which is better in the endgame middle game or opening.                                                                            THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Either way I'm gonna lose.

BrandonLG

oh yeah, and don't you guys love the knight and knight checkmate

BrandonLG
Don_frye1 wrote:
brandonLG wrote:

oh yeah, and don't you guys love the knight and knight checkmate

Completely and totally incorrect.

would you rather have 2 knights or bishops?