Which is stronger, Two Knights and Two Bishops or 2 Rooks?

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We all know that 2 Rooks are worth 10 points and that two bishops and two knights are 12 points. But which one do you think is more powerful? Comment below which one and whyhappy.png.

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2 bishops and 2 knights would dominate the board. It would depend on the position and pawn structure but I would rather have the 4 pieces instead of the 2 rooks.

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It is probably equal. When the 2 rooks trade for the 2 bishops, then the 2 knights cannot checkmate.

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it’d be VERY hard to trade one rook for both bishops. Your opponent would have to make a pretty serious and obvious blunder to do that.

You shouldn’t follow points too closely, although 4 pieces are “only” 2 points greater than 2 rooks. The 4 pieces would crush them in 99% of cases. Even 3 pieces are enough to draw.

2 Knights + Bishop is draw against 1 Queen,
2 Bishops + Knight against 1 queen is slightly winning for the 3 pieces.
2 rooks vs Queen is either winning for rooks or drawn
now 2 Bishops + 2 Knights? Not even close. Unless the 2 bishops were the same colour 😹
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The 2 bishops and 2 knights, extremely mobile and they outnumber the rook pair too

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The 4 pieces, though it really depends on the position.

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just play better than ur opponent and u can win with whatever,

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Two knights and bishops of course stronger

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#4
Trade 1 rook for 1 bishop. Then trade the other rook for the other bishop. Then KNN cannot checkmate K.

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There's too much talk here about a board containing only the specified eight pieces. I can't believe for a second that this is what the OP intended.

 

The four pieces are stronger. A lot stronger. More than the two points stronger in most positions. They're so much stronger, that I suspect that there is no position (other than ones with tactics in the starting position) where the rooks would be stronger.

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In this position one rook is stronger, than two knights and two bishops. This is my composition

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#11
This is an illegal position. It could result from chess960 but not from the standard initial position.
#10
The original poster gave no position. So we should assume he means KBBNN vs. KRR without any pawns. Then RxB and RxB assures a draw.

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tygxc wrote:

So we should assume he means KBBNN vs. KRR without any pawns.

Why?

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tygxc написал:

#11
This is an illegal position. It could result from chess960 but not from the standard initial position.
#10
The original poster gave no position. So we should assume he means KBBNN vs. KRR without any pawns. Then RxB and RxB assures a draw.

Yes, but this is BRILLIANT

Avatar of 25GSchatz22

Depends on the position. I would prefer two knights and two bishops

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BTW A bishop pair is generally stronger than a rook

A pair of knights is equal

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As far as I have heard in a typical open game two rooks can deliver a checkmate in no time, while in a typical closed game two knights are deadly. So its evident that it solely depends on nature of the game or end-game.

 

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25GSchatz22 wrote:

A pair of knights is equal

I've never heard before, that two knights are only as strong as a rook. Never heard, and don't for one second believe.

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This type of question comes up over and over and over again and the correct answer is always the same!!  It depends on  the position.

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In general of course 2 knights is stronger than a rook,