White should win or draw ALWAYS when ____________

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Also, there are several ways to play 1.e4 and discourage Black from playing his favourite Najdorf, without putting yourself at a disadvantage. If you want an advantage as White, you have to allow the Najdorf.

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orangehonda wrote:

That is interesting rooperi, I also thought d4 was a bit more popular, but I thought it was because the sicilian... I'm also surprised 1...e5 is more common.  How did you get these stats, from chessbase or something?


I'm in the process of trying to download the complete TWICS. It's a pain, because you have to download week by week. And if you live in a country where they have a data transfer race, between Pietermaritzburg and Durban (90km), where the contestants are an ADSL line vs a carrier pigeon, and the pigeon wins (true story) it takes a long time :( [edit: and where I am, I don't get ADSL, I connect on my cell with EDGE]

Then I just pop them into SCID, adding the new files as I get them. And you can ask SCID anything. I love that program, don't think I've opened chessbase for 6 months. I have not even gotten around to install it on my new PC.

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haha no spam rooperi!~
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ok for the record guys, im actujally rated over 2000 here on this online feature of chess.ocm, i just timed out ALOT
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Your highest rating was 1890;  but you have timed out ALOT.

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He says his USCF is close to 1600 and his live chess stats back that up so I'm thinking 2000 CC as a true strength (few games at a time, and taken seriously) is certainly reasonable to believe, even if it never actually got that high yet.

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thank you orange, and yes, i do not mean to disgruntle your feelings about this topic, its very opinionated and somewhat biased, and everyone is entitled to their own opinions, that is why i like chess, both players see each others plan and counter each others move

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Methinks with best play from both sides, it would always lead to a draw. In conclusion, the slightest inaccuracies and mistakes made by both sides are what makes chess exciting, and even with best play from both sides, it is still exciting to see both players slug it out.

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A draw, of course.Wink

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I'm not an expert, so what I say mostly will be flawed.

This question has been asked for the longest time, perfect play= all draws or all wins for white? To be honest I don't think it will end up like this. In fact what I think is that openings that favor black, for example, will do slightly better than white so in the end perfect play will result in black winning all the time. Same goes with openings that favor white in the end with perfect play white should win all the time, and openings with a lot of draws will have a lot of draws.

It seems logical, a side that has an advantage that does perfect moves and the other side does the best moves it can do will eventully result in the side with the advantage will win, of course the key word here is eventually. Even if we get perfect play it will result in games being over 100 moves.

Even if perfect play happens its the skill of the player that matters not how many moves he memoizes. (I know some openings can go up to 30 moves but there are so many other moves that are still good and doesn't hurt you.) The reason being that unless a person is a computer and memoizes EVERY single move, I don't think we need to worry about it because everyone makes mistakes.

On a final note. If all games DO end in draws all that means is that the game is VERY balance and even though white can move first it isn't enough to give white the advanagate, but if white does win all the time in perfect play then all we have to do is make it so black can go first two.(Switch it around, first game white goes first and the black goes first the next game). No sure if that would solze it but it seems logical enough.

Of course if you hate playing against the slician defence why not just pick a different opening?

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thats somehow concise!

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lebronjames6 wrote:

all im saying is that with perfect play from both black and white, the najdorf favors black more, even if it is the slighest amount....


 White maintains a 1/2 pawn advantage at least until the 7th move in all the games I've studied.  It's hard to say where the swing occurs, if it does, but I'll bet it's not the result of "perfect play" by white.  There has to be a mistake somewhere, or GM's would be jumping all over this stuff.  It would probably even make the evening news...

 

(edit) And the shift to d4 really hasn't been because of the Najdorf, from most of the interviews I've read.  Most GM's are doing it because they hate having to play through say, a Marshall or a Petrov (c. Kasparov, et. al., Chess Life, March 2009)

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yes!!!!!!, thats what i think happens, soon well have an ultra supercomputer do our dirtywork :D

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ok in the last few weeks ive compiled new points about the najdorf: the poisoned pawn variation, with perfect play from black, is favoring such :C, more to the point, the MAIN line be3 seems to be even, white is favored the tiniest amount, this all comes back to why the sicilian defense is so great and effective ://, i dont have bad experiences against the sicilian, but ive read books constantly on the najdorf, and it appears that white has more opportunities to screw up than black, and probably the central structure and something to do with blacks play, ok my wording here is bad, ill clarify this later.... lol

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ugh basically i think black has found the perfect systems to draw always

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That's like seeing two professional sports teams play a game, and after 4 minutes they're tied, so you say they're obviously evenly matched. 

After the opening phase is over, there is still a lot of chess to be played.  Even the best players in the world make small inaccuracies.  It's quite an exaggeration, especially at the amateur level, to claim black can always draw after any opening.

Part of the appeal of chess to so many is it's many ideas and in practical terms unsolvable nature.  During the course of 1 game, simply too many things can  happen.

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im sorry for saying such radical approaches, but from a perspective that is theoretical and evaluative on the position such as the danish/goriing gambit declined, it appears that, the isolated pawn only weakens white's position, wouldnt you agre?

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oh wait wrong forum FAIL

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collinsdanielp wrote:

White can maintain the advantage against the Najdorf, and perfect play would always yeild at least a draw.

I think a lot of chess players go through this with the sicilian.  I did.  You lose to it, then adopt it, then learn how its beaten, and then can beat it.  Its frustrating, but thats chess. 

My suggestion is to play the open sicilian english attack as white (these are the main lines for a reason).  Push d4 on move 3, put a knight on c3 and your darksquared bishop on e3, queen on d2, castle long and push pawns on the kingside.  Black almost has to castle short in the open sicilian, and your pawn push should create trouble for him before he can create trouble for you. 


Seems like the perfect chess game right then and there :P