who is the undisputed goat of chess

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No1_wantsme2havefun wrote:
long_quach wrote:

Botez (I don't know which one is which). She's bringing chess back to the street, where it began.

What? 💀

He is talking about the greatest chess player ever, not the most popular chess content creator of today.

Sylvester Stallone is an actor and not a boxer. He got more people interested in boxing than any boxer in history. Stallone is in the Boxing Hall of Fame.

Besides Fischer, who gets more people interested in chess? Who?

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No1_wantsme2havefun wrote:

Dude, they are obviously talking about the most ACCOMPLISHED player and not the MOST INSPIRATIONAL! 💀💀💀💀

Please get your facts straight, bro.

Get your facts straight.

The Soviet Union has a string of chess champions, one after another. The world doesn't care. In today's language, they didn't move the needle.

Only after Fischer did interest in chess skyrocketed.

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@No1_wantsme2havefun

Get your facts straight.

The most inspirational is the most accomplished.

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No1_wantsme2havefun wrote:
 

Dude, they are obviously talking about the most ACCOMPLISHED player and not the MOST INSPIRATIONAL! 💀💀💀💀

Please get your facts straight, bro.

If you don't inspire people, what did you accomplish?

How many chess champions did the Soviet Union produce? How many new chess players did that inspire?

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No1_wantsme2havefun wrote:

Most accomplished means means they have completed the most remarkable and impressive of achievements!

Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan blew up figure skating like nobody before or after. The end.

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long_quach wrote:
No1_wantsme2havefun wrote:

Most accomplished means means they have completed the most remarkable and impressive of achievements!

Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan blew up figure skating like nobody before or after. The end.

When Nancy Kerrigan won the Silver Medal, who won the Gold Medal?

Exactly.

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No1_wantsme2havefun wrote:
 

Why are you comparing figure skating to chess?

The one that is most inspirational is the one that is the most accomplished, in any art.

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Stop arguing...

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@No1_wantsme2havefun

The Soviet Union ruled chess. Chess is played against the back drop of The Cold War.

Fischer was the first Western winner in The Cold War on the chess board.

Kasparov's era was against the backdrop of the breakaway Republics of the Soviet Union.

He won that one.

But is its a sequel. It didn't have the "box office draw" of the first.

How many new chess sets were bought after Fischer? After Kasparov?

I'm betting on Fischer.

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long_quach wrote:
No1_wantsme2havefun wrote:
long_quach wrote:

Botez (I don't know which one is which). She's bringing chess back to the street, where it began.

What? 💀

He is talking about the greatest chess player ever, not the most popular chess content creator of today.

Sylvester Stallone is an actor and not a boxer. He got more people interested in boxing than any boxer in history. Stallone is in the Boxing Hall of Fame.

Besides Fischer, who gets more people interested in chess? Who?

Anand. And whoever started the Soviet chess boom (Alekhine?).

Also, the early chess scene is not really the streets. From my understanding, it came from European cafes.

For the actual thread topic, I suppose I'd say Morphy perhaps. He had a very dominant peak and apparently understood the game much better than his contemporaries. For the sheer length of powers, though, Lasker deserves a nod.

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Andrewtopia wrote:

Also, the early chess scene is not really the streets. From my understanding, it came from European cafes.

Dial back the clock.

Chess were played by traders on camels along the Silk Road, probably with a roll up cloth board, simple wooden pieces, on a dirt ground.

This is the real scene.

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Benito-Pussolini wrote:

there are a few disputed ones, but no undisputed.

Boyka

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No1_wantsme2havefun wrote:

Anyways, I’m wondering why you said that one of the Botez sisters is the goat…

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/who-is-the-undisputed-goat-of-chess?page=1#comment-101992069

Like I said, she's bringing chess back to the street, where it began.

"The way to get back is to go back to the beginning." - Rocky III.

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No1_wantsme2havefun wrote:
long_quach wrote:

Like I said, she's bringing chess back to the street, where it began.

Gothamchess has gotten more people into chess than botez lol

There you go. That's the criteria.

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long_quach wrote:
Andrewtopia wrote:

Also, the early chess scene is not really the streets. From my understanding, it came from European cafes.

Dial back the clock.

Chess were played by traders on camels along the Silk Road, probably with a roll up cloth board, simple wooden pieces, on a dirt ground.

We live in a modern world. Our perspectives are modern. Cities and cafes are very modern, even back in the days.

Here are people, today, playing Parcheesi with chalk and rocks on the ground. They didn't buy a cardboard paper board and a plastic set in Toys R Us.

I grew up in Vietnam. We played a form of checkers with rocks and a board we drew with a stick on the dirt ground.

I made my first Chinese chess set with bottle caps and a brown paper bag.

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Antonin1957 wrote:

Oh well. Silly me, to hope that a greatest-of-all-time thread on the chess dot com forum would actually be an interesting thread about...chess.

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long_quach wrote:
No1_wantsme2havefun wrote:

Dude, they are obviously talking about the most ACCOMPLISHED player and not the MOST INSPIRATIONAL! 💀💀💀💀

Please get your facts straight, bro.

Get your facts straight.

The Soviet Union has a string of chess champions, one after another. The world doesn't care. In today's language, they didn't move the needle.

Only after Fischer did interest in chess skyrocketed.

Most inspirational? Magnus Carlsen can crush Botez in a matter of moves who was already the most accomplished and very inspiring. If u think comparing accomplished players who is both inspiring and the best should get less more attention that your overrated Botez? Get urself a new kit and break a leg on something useful instead of ur blatant points.

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long_quach wrote:
Andrewtopia wrote:

Also, the early chess scene is not really the streets. From my understanding, it came from European cafes.

Dial back the clock.

Chess were played by traders on camels along the Silk Road, probably with a roll up cloth board, simple wooden pieces, on a dirt ground.

This is the real scene.

Chess are originally made from beaks.

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I think what I learned from all these posts was; there is no undisputed GOAT of chess.
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OlafMatus wrote:
I think what I learned from all these posts was; there is no undisputed GOAT of chess.

Well, it was obvious from the start.