Why am I worse at chess on this wesite than in real life?

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DarknesMetalDragon wrote:
Acoustician wrote:

That's interesting, I've often seen people suggest that ratings on here are quite often higher than the player's OTB rating.

For many people though, computer use can influence behaviour which affects concentration. Many people who go online can find themselves flitting between different tabs; checking facebook on one tab, email on another, reading a news article on another and so on. You then build a psychological association between going online and feeling your attention needs to be jumping between several things at once and it gets difficult to truly focus on one thing for long periods. It's just like many people have developed compulsions to check their phone nearly every few minutes and can't simply relax and focus on something else or even just sit quietly doing nothing, like on train or bus rids.

The following article sums it up well: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/7967894/How-the-Internet-is-making-us-stupid.html

It could well be in your case that the psychological associations you have made when using the net are hampering your ability to concentrate as well as you could do, having a niggling feeling something else might need your attention, even just subconsciously.

Of course, everything I suggested might simply be wrong in your case and one of the other suggestions above is the reason. Hope you find out whatever it is that seems to be holding you back!

No that is not the case at all. I'm on there for the entire chess game. I don't go on other tabs at all.

No, that's not what I mean. I am talking about how a person's psychological state can alter in certain circumstances. Many people who surf the net a can end up finding it difficult focusing on one specific task online at full concentration since many get accustomed to a certain behavioural pattern of moving quickly from one thing to another while online. When they do try to concentrate on one thing when online, their brain has become somewhat conditioned to the idea that being online = shifting focus a lot, and it hampers ones ability to get into a focused state of mind.

This occurs for many people. It can affect me sometimes too and I know several people who find it very tricky focus with full attention on something online as their mind quickly feels like its attention should be moving to something else and random thoughts can get in the way.

It might not apply to you but it certainly does for others. Check out the article I linked to for more info.

nameno1had
DarknesMetalDragon wrote:

I'm finding out that I keep stay around the 930 level on here, but in real life, I have a rating of approx. 1400. In over the board, I don't leave pieces on here en prise, but here I do it pretty often, so I know for sure that I am worse on here. Why is that? How can I play as good as I do in real life on here. If I can't learn to play as well as I do in real life, I can't really have good practice here. I am noticing that I leave them en prise closer to the end of the game with slightly reduced material. E.g, I played this game against a player who was about 370 points ahead of me (about 1300) and I would have likely beaten him, except for, I left my queen en prise.

Game: http://www.chess.com/livechess/game?id=593859404

 I've playing on here two consecutive months.

en prise: moving pieces to a square that is being attacked without intention of letting it get captured.

My profile: http://www.chess.com/members/view/DarknesMetalDragon

(Newly added):One possible reason I might stay at this level is that I get overconfident about my moves and I forget to see if it is a blunder, or don't take long enough to do. But if that's the case, why don't I in real life? 

While you gave infomation to help us understand your troubles here, you didn't give us much information about your OTB exploits. If the pool of players that you have played has some sort of inflated rating, for any reason, or if you haven't played enough games OTB against a wide variety of players near your rating range or in any tournaments, it is likely that your OTB rating may be a bit high.

Also, people cheat here and use other crutches that aren't necessarily considered cheating. That can have an impact on your respective performances.

DrCheckevertim

There may be several reasons that other people have already covered, but keep in mind that LIVE ratings on this site are lower than OTB ratings. Add 100-200 points to someone's LIVE rating, and that is probably closer to their USCF or FIDE rating.

FEAR_THE_JOKER
doduobird123 wrote:

I don't even try that hard on chess.com, it's more like my testing ground for ideas, openings...

Oh good, would you mind being my guinea pig?

DarknisMetalDragon
nameno1had wrote:
DarknesMetalDragon wrote:

I'm finding out that I keep stay around the 930 level on here, but in real life, I have a rating of approx. 1400. In over the board, I don't leave pieces on here en prise, but here I do it pretty often, so I know for sure that I am worse on here. Why is that? How can I play as good as I do in real life on here. If I can't learn to play as well as I do in real life, I can't really have good practice here. I am noticing that I leave them en prise closer to the end of the game with slightly reduced material. E.g, I played this game against a player who was about 370 points ahead of me (about 1300) and I would have likely beaten him, except for, I left my queen en prise.

Game: http://www.chess.com/livechess/game?id=593859404

 I've playing on here two consecutive months.

en prise: moving pieces to a square that is being attacked without intention of letting it get captured.

My profile: http://www.chess.com/members/view/DarknesMetalDragon

(Newly added):One possible reason I might stay at this level is that I get overconfident about my moves and I forget to see if it is a blunder, or don't take long enough to do. But if that's the case, why don't I in real life? 

While you gave infomation to help us understand your troubles here, you didn't give us much information about your OTB exploits. If the pool of players that you have played has some sort of inflated rating, for any reason, or if you haven't played enough games OTB against a wide variety of players near your rating range or in any tournaments, it is likely that your OTB rating may be a bit high.

Also, people cheat here and use other crutches that aren't necessarily considered cheating. That can have an impact on your respective performances.

What do you mean by OTB exploits? By the way, I am the same person as Darknes, I just deleted my account and recreated a new one because I decided to quit this site, but changed my mind. I had to spell my username differently to get a new one.

nameno1had
DarknisMetalDragon wrote:
nameno1had wrote:
DarknesMetalDragon wrote:

I'm finding out that I keep stay around the 930 level on here, but in real life, I have a rating of approx. 1400. In over the board, I don't leave pieces on here en prise, but here I do it pretty often, so I know for sure that I am worse on here. Why is that? How can I play as good as I do in real life on here. If I can't learn to play as well as I do in real life, I can't really have good practice here. I am noticing that I leave them en prise closer to the end of the game with slightly reduced material. E.g, I played this game against a player who was about 370 points ahead of me (about 1300) and I would have likely beaten him, except for, I left my queen en prise.

Game: http://www.chess.com/livechess/game?id=593859404

 I've playing on here two consecutive months.

en prise: moving pieces to a square that is being attacked without intention of letting it get captured.

My profile: http://www.chess.com/members/view/DarknesMetalDragon

(Newly added):One possible reason I might stay at this level is that I get overconfident about my moves and I forget to see if it is a blunder, or don't take long enough to do. But if that's the case, why don't I in real life? 

While you gave infomation to help us understand your troubles here, you didn't give us much information about your OTB exploits. If the pool of players that you have played has some sort of inflated rating, for any reason, or if you haven't played enough games OTB against a wide variety of players near your rating range or in any tournaments, it is likely that your OTB rating may be a bit high.

Also, people cheat here and use other crutches that aren't necessarily considered cheating. That can have an impact on your respective performances.

What do you mean by OTB exploits? By the way, I am the same person as Darknes, I just deleted my account and recreated a new one because I decided to quit this site, but changed my mind. I had to spell my username differently to get a new one.

With all due respect, the fact you asked the question is a clue to me that, you are rather green when it comes to rated OTB endeavors...

DarknisMetalDragon
nameno1had wrote:
DarknisMetalDragon wrote:
nameno1had wrote:
DarknesMetalDragon wrote:

I'm finding out that I keep stay around the 930 level on here, but in real life, I have a rating of approx. 1400. In over the board, I don't leave pieces on here en prise, but here I do it pretty often, so I know for sure that I am worse on here. Why is that? How can I play as good as I do in real life on here. If I can't learn to play as well as I do in real life, I can't really have good practice here. I am noticing that I leave them en prise closer to the end of the game with slightly reduced material. E.g, I played this game against a player who was about 370 points ahead of me (about 1300) and I would have likely beaten him, except for, I left my queen en prise.

Game: http://www.chess.com/livechess/game?id=593859404

 I've playing on here two consecutive months.

en prise: moving pieces to a square that is being attacked without intention of letting it get captured.

My profile: http://www.chess.com/members/view/DarknesMetalDragon

(Newly added):One possible reason I might stay at this level is that I get overconfident about my moves and I forget to see if it is a blunder, or don't take long enough to do. But if that's the case, why don't I in real life? 

While you gave infomation to help us understand your troubles here, you didn't give us much information about your OTB exploits. If the pool of players that you have played has some sort of inflated rating, for any reason, or if you haven't played enough games OTB against a wide variety of players near your rating range or in any tournaments, it is likely that your OTB rating may be a bit high.

Also, people cheat here and use other crutches that aren't necessarily considered cheating. That can have an impact on your respective performances.

What do you mean by OTB exploits? By the way, I am the same person as Darknes, I just deleted my account and recreated a new one because I decided to quit this site, but changed my mind. I had to spell my username differently to get a new one.

With all due respect, the fact you asked the question is a clue to me that, you are rather green when it comes to rated OTB endeavors...

I haven't actually played in tournaments. That's why I said my rating's about 1400. I'm basing this off the chessmaniac rating estimator. I know how it's not that accurate, but I didn't want to distract people away from the main point of this discussion. My rating being inflated isn't the main point of this forum post. The main point is that I am definetly higher in real life than I am here. I don't make the same mistakes OTB as much as I do on this website and I am wondering why.

nameno1had
DarknisMetalDragon wrote:
nameno1had wrote:
DarknisMetalDragon wrote:
nameno1had wrote:
DarknesMetalDragon wrote:

I'm finding out that I keep stay around the 930 level on here, but in real life, I have a rating of approx. 1400. In over the board, I don't leave pieces on here en prise, but here I do it pretty often, so I know for sure that I am worse on here. Why is that? How can I play as good as I do in real life on here. If I can't learn to play as well as I do in real life, I can't really have good practice here. I am noticing that I leave them en prise closer to the end of the game with slightly reduced material. E.g, I played this game against a player who was about 370 points ahead of me (about 1300) and I would have likely beaten him, except for, I left my queen en prise.

Game: http://www.chess.com/livechess/game?id=593859404

 I've playing on here two consecutive months.

en prise: moving pieces to a square that is being attacked without intention of letting it get captured.

My profile: http://www.chess.com/members/view/DarknesMetalDragon

(Newly added):One possible reason I might stay at this level is that I get overconfident about my moves and I forget to see if it is a blunder, or don't take long enough to do. But if that's the case, why don't I in real life? 

While you gave infomation to help us understand your troubles here, you didn't give us much information about your OTB exploits. If the pool of players that you have played has some sort of inflated rating, for any reason, or if you haven't played enough games OTB against a wide variety of players near your rating range or in any tournaments, it is likely that your OTB rating may be a bit high.

Also, people cheat here and use other crutches that aren't necessarily considered cheating. That can have an impact on your respective performances.

What do you mean by OTB exploits? By the way, I am the same person as Darknes, I just deleted my account and recreated a new one because I decided to quit this site, but changed my mind. I had to spell my username differently to get a new one.

With all due respect, the fact you asked the question is a clue to me that, you are rather green when it comes to rated OTB endeavors...

I haven't actually played in tournaments. That's why I said my rating's about 1400. I'm basing this off the chessmaniac rating estimator. I know how it's not that accurate, but I didn't want to distract people away from the main point of this discussion. My rating being inflated isn't the main point of this forum post. The main point is that I am definetly higher in real life than I am here. I don't make the same mistakes OTB as much as I do on this website and I am wondering why.

Try this then and see if it makes a difference, go to a coffee house or have a friend over and play each other sitting at a table, in the same positions you would be with a normal board, but instead, connect on the net and use two laptops to play each other. Perhaps the fact you don't play as well on a computer screen, will rear it's ugly head...other wise I think the points I made earlier have more merit than you are willing to give them credit for. If you aren't using the opening explorer or analysis in turn based games while your opponent's are, I am willing to bet it is easily worth 300-500 points depending up the skill range we are talking about...

DarknisMetalDragon

I actually think I'm a 1200-1299 rated player based on this article:

http://beginchess.com/2009/08/02/anatomy-of-a-chess-player-from-beginner-to-expert/

I don't leave pieces en prise as much as I do on here.

I've also tried playing with a 3d chess set at my house, but end up forgetting to move the pieces on the board while playing because I end up looking at the screen anyways. I feel it's taking a really long time to get used to this board. On here, you have to be a diamond member to get a 3d board which sucks.

DrCheckevertim

That article is kinda dumb. Also the website set off my antivirus software for some reason.

AndyClifton

I have some tragic news for you:  this is real life.

DarknisMetalDragon
AndyClifton wrote:

I have some tragic news for you:  this is real life.

I'm just not used to playing 2d chess. That's why I don't do well on here. Real life is 3d pieces. That's what I mean by real life.

macer75

I'm pretty much exactly the opposite - I play much better online with 2d representations of pieces than in "real life" with an actual board and pieces.

sapientdust

The OP could try the following to see if the 2D representation is impairing his play:

Set up a real board and play a couple of slow games with somebody online by keeping the real board synchronized with the computer board while playing, doing all the thinking and visualizing looking at the real board.

This should be perfectly within the rules, as long as the real-world board strictly mirrors the online board (e.g., you never move a piece before making the move online, which would be cheating, or take back a move after you make it before you've submitted it online).

DarknisMetalDragon
sapientdust wrote:

The OP could try the following to see if the 2D representation is impairing his play:

Set up a real board and play a couple of slow games with somebody online by keeping the real board synchronized with the computer board while playing, doing all the thinking and visualizing looking at the real board.

This should be perfectly within the rules, as long as the real-world board strictly mirrors the online board (e.g., you never move a piece before making the move online, which would be cheating, or take back a move after you make it before you've submitted it online).

I've tried that, but I always get too distracted by the board on the screen and forget to make my moves on the board. Even if I remembered to do that, I would not end up looking at my real board since I'd get too distracted by the screen.

sapientdust

Get a friend who owes you a favor and have him be responsible for making the opponent's moves on the board and inputting yours to the computer. You just sit at the board and never look at the computer.

DarknisMetalDragon
sapientdust wrote:

Get a friend who owes you a favor and have him be responsible for making the opponent's moves on the board and inputting yours to the computer. You just sit at the board and never look at the computer.

I'll try that if I can get someone to do that.

DarknisMetalDragon
sapientdust wrote:

The OP could try the following to see if the 2D representation is impairing his play:

Set up a real board and play a couple of slow games with somebody online by keeping the real board synchronized with the computer board while playing, doing all the thinking and visualizing looking at the real board.

This should be perfectly within the rules, as long as the real-world board strictly mirrors the online board (e.g., you never move a piece before making the move online, which would be cheating, or take back a move after you make it before you've submitted it online).

I was able to get past it. What I did was I set up a board right in front of me and set the laptop to the very left of me so that I couldn't see the screen that well without looking. It seems that it solves my en prise problem. I still have a bit of a problem though, but I think it's that sometimes I play lower rated opponents and I get to confident about my moves and am not careful. When I play in real life at OTB, I don't know what their rating is and how good they are, so I am more careful. If I've played against someone before and they are good, then I will be more careful since I know they can win.

I did make an elementary blunder in real life. I missed a back rank mate. It's actually making me wonder if getting used to playing on this 2d board is making me worse in OTB.

sapientdust

You made a blunder in an OTB game against another player in person? Was it a tournament game or a slow time control game, or was it at a fast time control?

It does seem possible that if you play online games and don't take them seriously, that could carry over into your real-world games, which you might start unintentionally taking less seriously. It's difficult to see how sometimes playing with a 2D board could make real-world play worse, and I've never heard of this happening, while playing sloppy chess online (regardless of whether it's 2D or 3D) will probably encourage bad habits that carry over to all play.

JMB2010

Did anyone else notice that the OP closed his account?