Why Anand still play the Ruy Lopez?

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JohnnyKGB

Hey guys ,    why  the world champion still play the ruy lopez afta his bad experience against Berlin Wall the other day??  Today was a terrible choice too with d3.  

This opening should be prohibited,  slow play, no queens on the board       

the spectator is bored  , the modern chess  is killin the game with this kind of openigs.

So 4-2 is winning Carlsen ,

is time to play King´s Gambit   Vishy Vishy ??

what du you zink?  

discoweasel

Regular King's Gambit or Moaning King's Gambit?

Phantom_of_the_Opera

they should play sothing crazy, like the morra gambit

Malhose

King's Gambit is, of course, refuted.

But there's still plenty of life left in the d-pawn openings like the QG, Catalan, London, and Colle.  That's where future championships will be decided.

JohnnyKGB

Today played Ruy Lopez again , and easy draw, ¿ is this guy trying to win the match?

Attox
Snowyqueen wrote:

It's not the opening that makes the game boring or not. 

Generally i would agree, but in the special case of the Ruy Lopez i think it's pretty hard for GM's to get any winning advantage out of it from either side, especially if black resorts to the Berlin.

TheGreatOogieBoogie

King's Gambit is bad, with best play white will have a very difficult game but should draw in the endgame.  the black kingside pawns are close to the white king, so in an endgame he could work with other pieces.  Of course, black will eat up pawns of his own too, and white should draw a pawn down if enough pawns leave the board. 

Carlson even played the King's Gambit before:



TheGreatOogieBoogie

Almost forgot to mention a critical variation in my 9...g5 line: 10.Nxg5,Bxg5 11.Bxf4,Be7 is a critical alternative, but white should be much better after 12.Qd3!,Na6! (Nc6-Nb5! targeting the weak c7 point) 13.Rae1 with a strong initiative and with clear compensation for the piece.  Black's king is in the center, position full of holes, and the rooks will remain unconnected for some time.

csalami10

He plays it because the Ruy lopez is the BEST opening against e4-e5. The berlin defense is just a variation, the player who is better in endgames wins the game. If you think that an endgame is slow and boring maybe chess is not your game.

kikvors

I think he played it today because the #1 priority was not to lose a third game in a row. In this match, white games aren't more important than black games anyway.

Now his confidence may be repaired a tiny bit, and maybe he can try to win tomorrow. It's not as if Carlsen's white openings are that fearsome.

TheGreatOogieBoogie

The Ruy Lopez is undoubtedly good, but 3.Bc4 and 3.d4 are just as good. 

csalami10
TheGreatOogieBoogie írta:

The Ruy Lopez is undoubtedly good, but 3.Bc5 and 3.d4 are just as good. 

Practice doesn't show it. I agree that the italian game and the schotch are good and recommendable, however, the Ruy Lopez is a bit more stronger, since it is played much more times by grandmasters than any other opening after e4-e5. On the club level these openings are probably equal, but on the GM level they are not. (and we are now talking about the GM level)
(For me, the italian and scotch game aren't challenging openings, although I haven't played too much against those openings on higher level against 18-19xx FIDE rated players so it may not be entirely true) 

JohnnyKGB

For a long time   GM used to play  the Pelikan,  now the fashion is t0 play 2.Bb5 in the sicilian to avoid all these lines,  same happen with Ruy Lopez, they just play because is the fashion, but bc4, d4, nc3... they are playable but they are dead  in chess elite. In general, this elite has not personality to create and play new openings ideas.  Of course in blitz, rapid tournaments Magnus or Vishy play extravagant openings but no here.

Vladimir Kramnik - nº 3 in the world - is the perfect candidate to play him openings with bad reputation .  We can watch these games against my compatriot Vallejo and Fressinet .  

 
If Anand is reading my thread (I'm sure of that)  just have to make one thing,  go crazy to carlsen with these openings , and enjoy the games! 

JohnnyKGB
csalami10 escribió:
TheGreatOogieBoogie írta:

The Ruy Lopez is undoubtedly good, but 3.Bc5 and 3.d4 are just as good. 

Practice doesn't show it.

Practice doesn't show it  

Of course not, there is no practice

johnyoudell

I am also puzzled at this choice.

Sadly it may just be timidity.

I really hope not and he comes out fighting with the black pieces to-morrow.

Ziggy_Zugzwang

I'd love to know what Fischer would play against the Berlin. It appears that for now this variation at the higest level has proved the best line against the Ruy. I must admit I always thought the all the lines following white bringing bishop back to c2 after black plays a6, b5 and all the moves that followed a bit contrived, and all the more so when seeing club players come out with them. Someone once said something like "never have so many players played so many moves without having any idea what they were for".

Makes you wonder why the Berlin wasn't championed 50 years ago by the "elites". I suppose they to like to follow what others are doing.

Perhaps the centre attack might make a comeback 1e4 e5 2Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 Nf6 4 d4 sometime ? It seems a principled response and before any neysayer parrots conventional "wisdom"  on this , remember how Kasparov championed the Scotch when conventional wisdom was against that ?  :-)  

bean_Fischer

Fischer faced Berlin 3 times, 1. win and 2 draws. He has no problem with this defence, so his opponents seldom played it.

BeatleFred

One thing I'd say about the Lopez, if either Anand or Carlsen would play the Schliemann,  the game would never be boring!  e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5! Nc3 Nd4!

jjrehp

Maybe carlsen hasn't prepared for the bongcloud attack

gundamv

And, why, given all the computer analysis and what-not does Anand fail to break through Carlsen's defense?  It's not like Carlsen plays a different defense each time.  It's always the Berlin and still, Anand gets smashed.