Why are players from some countries better than others?

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tcmarti
I ran a spread sheet and discovered some very interesting tidbits. Players from 2 countries beat me 79% of the time. Why is this? Equally as interesting, my win/lose percentage varies depending on time of day. During a specific period, I lose 91% of the time against players from the 2 countries I mentioned. Also, almost without exception, players from these countries win 53-58% of their games. Again, how does this happen? Aren’t we matched against supposedly equal players in our rating range? My percentage is 48/48/4. I find it curious that I lose say 25 out of 30 games then turn around and win 25 of 30. This has happened many times. There’s no logic to it.
data_breach

US and Canadian education [sic] is complete and utter garbage, that’s why.  Most everyone on Earth is brighter than Americans and Canadians, today, the majority of which are two standard deviations below the average.  In other words, functionally retarded.

Europeans and Asians will always outperform people from North America at chess, just as they do everything else.

tcmarti
Yea, that answer shows your ignorance. A 1000 player is a 1000 player, a 2000 player is a 2000 player, regardless the country. BTW, America is by far the most technically advanced country in the world. Freedom, at least where it is, only exists because of America. Study your history. Deny it all you want hater, it’s the truth.
inquire
tcmarti he’s not talking about whose technology is more advanced, or freedom for that matter, just the intelligence of one country’s average citizen due to that country’s current education system
technical_knockout

some countries have better players.

CrusaderKing1
data_breach wrote:

US and Canadian education [sic] is complete and utter garbage, that’s why.  Most everyone on Earth is brighter than Americans and Canadians, today, the majority of which are two standard deviations below the average.  In other words, functionally retarded.

Europeans and Asians will always outperform people from North America at chess, just as they do everything else. 

I have to see this is perhaps, the dumbest thing I've ever read on this website. 

CrusaderKing1
inquire wrote:
tcmarti he’s not talking about whose technology is more advanced, or freedom for that matter, just the intelligence of one country’s average citizen due to that country’s current education system

I would surmise from statistical data that the average USA citizen is generally on the upper end of academics, especially when you poll certain demographics and areas in the USA. 

ShouldBreezi

The USA does not encourage chess as much as other countries. This had nothing to do with the US education system. The US despite somehow being so "Stupid" has gotten the most Nobel Prizes, and has spent the most on education than any other country.

Don't speak of things you do not understand.

Bias-Hacker

i think it is  not primarily about education system ,rather how competitive the spirit of the nation is about chess.

ClaudiaG4
I think that it is because maybe their country has better chess or technical advances. That is a very interesting thing to find, thank you for sharing!
MisterWindUpBird
Bias-Hacker wrote:

i think it is  not primarily about education system ,rather how competitive the spirit of the nation is about chess.

Yes. It just isn't valued at all in the culture of some countries. 

hoodoothere

I'm 68 and I know for a fact that the U.S. 1-12 education system is not as good as it used to be back in the 1960s and 1970s when we led the world. That being said, we also have the best colleges in the world and many of the smartest students come here for their college education. One can go to almost any college campus here and easily observe many of the students that come here are foreign from virtually all over the world. Link to support this contention: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/best-countries-for-education

llama51
tcmarti wrote:
I ran a spread sheet and discovered some very interesting tidbits. Players from 2 countries beat me 79% of the time. Why is this? Equally as interesting, my win/lose percentage varies depending on time of day. During a specific period, I lose 91% of the time against players from the 2 countries I mentioned. Also, almost without exception, players from these countries win 53-58% of their games. Again, how does this happen? Aren’t we matched against supposedly equal players in our rating range? My percentage is 48/48/4. I find it curious that I lose say 25 out of 30 games then turn around and win 25 of 30. This has happened many times. There’s no logic to it.

Set a timer and flip a coin for 5 minutes. Record your longest streak of heads or tails.

If you're not slow at flipping, you're pretty likely to get 7 in a row (or more) of one or the other... it doesn't mean the coin is broken, that's just how randomness works. True randomness will superficially appear to have a pattern. Our brains instinctually look for patterns, and sometimes see them even when they don't exist.

100 games is not enough. You should also control for rating (if you lose 3/4 games against players rated ~200 points higher than you, then that's exactly the correct amount). Also openings...

One time I found that I was scoring about 60% with many openings, and 40% with a few others... this was a much better use of my time than looking at flags, since I then worked on those openings.

llama51
tcmarti wrote:
Yea, that answer shows your ignorance. A 1000 player is a 1000 player, a 2000 player is a 2000 player, regardless the country. BTW, America is by far the most technically advanced country in the world. Freedom, at least where it is, only exists because of America. Study your history. Deny it all you want hater, it’s the truth.

Go ahead and google where the US ranks in the world on metrics like human rights and freedom... spoiler:  not even in the top 10.

miskit_mistake
llama51 wrote:
tcmarti wrote:
Yea, that answer shows your ignorance. A 1000 player is a 1000 player, a 2000 player is a 2000 player, regardless the country. BTW, America is by far the most technically advanced country in the world. Freedom, at least where it is, only exists because of America. Study your history. Deny it all you want hater, it’s the truth.

Go ahead and google where the US ranks in the world on metrics like human rights and freedom... spoiler:  not even in the top 10.

2 people gave thumbs down. Old news from the newsroom

llama51
miskit_mistake wrote:
llama51 wrote:
tcmarti wrote:
Yea, that answer shows your ignorance. A 1000 player is a 1000 player, a 2000 player is a 2000 player, regardless the country. BTW, America is by far the most technically advanced country in the world. Freedom, at least where it is, only exists because of America. Study your history. Deny it all you want hater, it’s the truth.

Go ahead and google where the US ranks in the world on metrics like human rights and freedom... spoiler:  not even in the top 10.

2 people gave thumbs down. Old news from the newsroom

 

I suppose googling is easy, but giving a thumbs down is even easier.

Nice clip by the way, I haven't seen the movie.

MisterWindUpBird

*Thread quickly devolves into pro/anti nationalist codswallop, rather than anything related to chess culture...* No surprise then, that humans find ourselves on the brink of global catastrophe repetetively. I mean, you can talk ball sports, or muscle cars on fb and almost expect those sort of outcomes. Chess players aren't any smarter than those communities, apparently.

miskit_mistake

Why should chess players be special? Because Denzel said so?

miskit_mistake

Thumbs down for the video post as well.  Oh well.  Guess these kids give a thumbs down when they get their test results in school as well.

StumpyBlitzer

Yes this has gone a bit off topic, come on everyone 😁