why are Russians so good at chess

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wayne_thomas

brettregan1 - "chess was a mandatory part of their school curriculum so I heard."

Armenia has chess classes in primary school

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/15/armenia-chess-compulsory-schools

A motion was passed to introduce it in Spain:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/chess/11415450/Spain-says-yes-to-chess-as-game-is-made-compulsory-in-schools.html

There have been some moves in this direction in Norway:

https://www.stabroeknews.com/2015/features/05/03/more-countries-introducing-chess-in-schools/

I don't think Russia or the Soviet Union have ever had chess as a mandatory school subject, but following Karjakin's recent title match, Russia's Senator Vadim Tyulpanov proposed that chess be introduced into Russian schools as well.

http://www.ibtimes.com/mandatory-chess-russian-schools-senator-proposes-board-game-lessons-instead-physical-2457953

brettregan1

I hate when these what the heck if forums become personal - I am just stating me little guy what do I think -  I am entitled to say what I think - never said I was an expert on ANYTHING - NEVER SAID IN MY WHOLE LIFE I GOT THE FACTS - I was told by a russian in canada that they HAD to study it in school - BUT you know I know she knows him her knows that you cannot believe everything you hear  or see -  like I lived thhrough the  cuban missile crisis - well I believed the americans were absolutely right - just about two years ago I was watching a documentary  and it said that it was diffused when the russians said they would take their nukes out of cuba if the americans took their nukes out of turkey -  I never never never read heard or knew until then that they had nukes in turkey - now if you want me to be a perfect no mistake EXPERT when I post on these forums THEN PAY ME - SHOW ME THE MONEY - then maybe I will do some research before I whack the keys - like gee - maybe my post ? -  leave it here for a month and what ? - - maybe 50 people might read it NOT - - EVERY ONE IS MOST LIKE ME I BET --  when looking at the post I read about five of the beginning and about five of the last - the middle ones are buried AND NOONE  will read them except simpsons comic book guy - and I would like to add taking into account your post not all russians had to take it in school but that russian told me he took it in school and I do not believe he had any reason to lie - and teaching it in school is tupid to the max - while in the service I heard it said over and over that humans are the easiest animals to trap - taking it in school would make people narrow minded  - a to b to c to d then BANG - and these posts - proof is these posts - I have been on this site for years and they are always the same old same old - like what tips can you give me to make my two year old a better chess player???? answer if the other kid starts winning have your kid smack the kid in the face with a dirty diaper - like gee - read the post guy asking how to make the kid a better chess player - answer? don't - teach a kid chess when young they will develop mental problems and stress - chess emphasizes winning and losing - I played since I was about twelve - bet lost a million games won a million and drawn a few - who cares who knows who gives a ------  kids should play games to have fun - train lessons in life = make him a chess master later in life when he is developed emotionally and can take a defeat with out wetting the bed

wayne_thomas

brettregan1 wrote: " I was told by a russian in canada that they HAD to study it in school."

Who was it?  Where did they go to school?

brettregan1

brett - I am old - this is 2018 - on around 1980 or 1982 - I was a regular at a pool hall - well the owner was hap kee doo  instructor - well we were to only two in the hall - I heard a commotion outside - well outside to look saw one person with his back against the wall with lots and lots and lots of people facing him - I knew lots of them but I knew that with crowd mentality there would be no reasoning with them - so I ran up to the single guy and said what is wrong - well he said no one would give him a light for his cigarette - then I said come with me and I light your cigarette - I quickly got him into the pool hall - with the hap kee doe master there NOONE was going to follow me - well I said sorry I don't smoke and don't have any matches - we playing some pool - then snuck out the back door - and went to mac donalds and he had a small chess set - we played chess - he told me he was on a russian ship and when they went to shore they had to go in pairs and they never knew if the other guy was a commissar - and that the commissar had diplomatic immunity and may or may not have a gun - but he said he was told canadians were murders and thugs and he wanted to see this for himself so he ditched his buddy - - - so he said he would meet me next day and play more chess - - - I waited the next day but he never showed up - - on talking to my buddies later who had been in the crowd they said a riot broke out and later about two or three R C M P cars showed up with police dogs and the police released the hounds and he said he had a great time - - people running all over getting chased by the dogs - - his name - I don't know -   where did he go to school I do not know ? - was he a soviet sailor stupid enough to ditch what might have been a Commissar ? I don't know - all I know for sure is that HE SURE HAD THE TELEVISION RUSSIAN ACCENT - and I think me saving his butt was the bravest thing I ever did SOBER

wayne_thomas

Anyway, I imagine youngsters who choose to go to sports schools in the Soviet Union or Russia could choose to specialize in chess.  Some phys. ed. teachers might teach chess along with hockey, gymnastics, skating, what have you during the school year.  Players who later became famous don't usually talk about these classes.  More important to their development would be classes in the Pioneer Palaces, or competitions associated with the trade unions like the Spartakiads, or one on one trainers.

GMAbhishekpodishetty

Not only Russians and other countries are also play well.

EQ85

Cuz Russians cheat. So do a lot of those Indian fagits.

Dum_S

Cayotivan wrote:

"...because "at the chess board" is the only place Russians are allowed to think."

Sometimes people don't think even here

+1 😂😂😂

Dum_S

Cayotivan wrote:

"...because "at the chess board" is the only place Russians are allowed to think."

Sometimes people don't think even here

+1 😂😂😂

wayne_thomas

This web page says that the Russian Ministry of Physical Fitness and Sport has 6 schools in Moscow which offer chess classes:

https://www.mos.ru/en/news/item/17246073/

One of the schools is Anatoly Karpov's.  Its classes seem to be mostly after 3:30 i.e. after school.  It also talks about a contract, so probably the parents have to pay for these classes.

http://karpov-school.org/school/schedule

The Russian Ministry of Education also offers classes for example through the Mikhail Botvinnik school at the Moscow Pioneer Palace.

wayne_thomas

I think this is also true of any career, but if children come into contact with successful adults in particular careers, they are more likely to follow those careers themselves.

JayeshSinhaChess

Two of the three top US players are imports. Not sure that is a strength of chess in US at the grassroots level atleast.

IDASP

So many opinions - no facts. tongue.png

SeniorPatzer

Russians are smart people, yes?

NihilDesperandum

Some schools in Russia have got chess lessons, others no. My 8 years old nephew asked me to gift him "real wood chess" because he has chess lessons at usual school. In Kalmyk republic all children learn chess of course. Their khan and president FIDE Kirsan Ilyumzhinov made chess mandatory for education.

I attended school in Soviet Union. There was no chess lessons. But all cities had got good chess clubs with children sections.

brettregan1

https://www.chess.com/live#g=2696848123

- I saw move his bishop and he has a simultaneous concealed attack - I knew that - boy am I stupid - I knew I had to move my queen - but I stupidly thought I had time - so I ask and wonder - are russians good or am I just stupid - this game really bugs me - because I saw that but thought I had a few moves to move my queen - is russian bear suzzy - da - I think this is discrimatory but I think when you play a russian you have to keep one eye open

brettregan1

https://www.chess.com/live#g=2696848123

- I saw move his bishop and he has a simultaneous concealed attack - I knew that - boy am I stupid - I knew I had to move my queen - but I stupidly thought I had time - so I ask and wonder - are russians good or am I just stupid - this game really bugs me - because I saw that but thought I had a few moves to move my queen - is russian bear suzzy - da - I think this is discrimatory but I think when you play a russian you have to keep one eye open

brettregan1
  • wayne thomas said - I think this is also true of any career, but if children come into contact with successful adults in particular careers,  Wayne Thomas said - they are more likely to follow those careers themselves. - I was in 23rd medical company - I joined the canadian army reserve - I was called into an interview - the head nurse of edmns royal alex hospital basically told me the recruitments tests said I was a genius and she invited me to join 23rd med coy - now 15 edmn med coy - well - I met the smartest person in the world there - sergeant major linda wheeler - she told me her father was a chartered accountant - and since she was a little girl - she would only do things which would make her a chartered accountant - I worked heavy industrial that summer - when to h and r block - taxes - they could get me 300 tax back - sgt mjr linda wheeler said she could not do my taxes because in two months she was graduating and had to study for her exams - SHE TOLD ME TO GO TO A CHARTERED ACCOUNTANT pay him to do my taxes - I did as she said and an east indian chartered accountant working in his basement got me about 3 three thousand dollars back======= to the best of my knowledge she had to '' apprentice 8 years '' on finishing that she would did become the youngest chartered accountant in canada in the day - hmmm kid can study accounting for 15 years or study chess for 15 years hmmm?

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